Peter Gabriel HAS NOT ruled out reunion!!

[nickm]

Here's my fifty cents' worth....

First off, Peter (like any member of the band, or any other band) doesn't actually owe us anything. He is a recording artist and we have chosen over the years to buy his records and go to his concerts. That doesn't mean he is obliged to produce new albums at any other frequency than he is comfortable with. It also doesn't mean that he has to get back with Genesis to try to recreate something he did in his early 20s. If he is uncomfortable with revisiting his past then that's up to him.

I think he feels that he went out of Genesis on a high and he would be risking credibility by going back to them. To me that is an understandable viewpoint.

Second, I agree that the re-recording of old vocals does seem a bit excessive. Peter is obviously a perfectionist and is probably aware that he isn't the greatest singer who ever lived. Clearly, when he hears his live vocals on tape he picks up on the faults and instinctively wants to correct them. He's sufficiently aware of his own imperfections that he feels the need to put them right. Other singers don't feel the need to do this - for whatever reason, either because their vocals are always 100 per cent (this must be extremely rare) or because they're egomaniacs who believe their own hype.

Third, I disagree that Peter's disinclination to reunite with Genesis is in any way an insult to his musical legacy. I suspect this period of Peter's career is very dear to him and he is seriously concerned that 'going back' may only dilute the memories he has of those early days.

Fourth, I'm guessing you must be really annoyed by this Jebho. To turn Peter's position into a mini rant aganist emigrating Englishmen seems a little over the top to say the least. And the whole 'English people like warm beer' thing is such complete crap.

Fifth, I have yet to listen to the interview but from the quotes on the planet rock website, it doesn't sound to me like it's a definite no.

Finally, one site i saw referred to Genesis's 'ongoing' world tour. Are there more dates in the offing? And if it's a 'world' tour does that mean they'll be venturing further than Europe and North America?

[Squonkman]

[quote=nickm;6922]

First off, Peter (like any member of the band, or any other band) doesn't actually owe us anything. He is a recording artist and we have chosen over the years to buy his records and go to his concerts. That doesn't mean he is obliged to produce new albums at any other frequency than he is comfortable with. It also doesn't mean that he has to get back with Genesis to try to recreate something he did in his early 20s. If he is uncomfortable with revisiting his past then that's up to him.

I don't think anyone said Gabriel OWES us anything, at least I didn't. I think the point of most people is---if you are going to do it, lets get on with it before we are all on respirators. If you don't want to do it, step up to the plate, say so, and quit stringing everyone---fans, promoters, and your fellow ex band mates--along.

I think he feels that he went out of Genesis on a high and he would be risking credibility by going back to them. To me that is an understandable viewpoint.

We all understand that you can't recreate or duplicate the past. But you can acknowledge and honor your own legacy by playing your old songs once in a blue moon. Your response does not answer why if Roger Waters and Dylan and Springsteen and Sinatra and McCartney and on and on can revisit their past by playing some good songs again, why is he so above it? Seems like an unrealistic almost elitist viewpoint to me, not an understandable one. And if he truly believes that, why would he EVER sing any song that isn't off his current album? Why on his last tour did he do songs from his first three albums? Why does he always sing Solsbury Hill? Isn't that going backward to your past?

Second, I agree that the re-recording of old vocals does seem a bit excessive. Peter is obviously a perfectionist and is probably aware that he isn't the greatest singer who ever lived. Clearly, when he hears his live vocals on tape he picks up on the faults and instinctively wants to correct them. He's sufficiently aware of his own imperfections that he feels the need to put them right. Other singers don't feel the need to do this - for whatever reason, either because their vocals are always 100 per cent (this must be extremely rare) or because they're egomaniacs who believe their own hype.

No, see, its absurd because the Shrine Lamb show was supposed to be a slice of time---true fans want to hear what they sounded like back THEN, not have someone go and rerecord everything---that defeats the point of saving the old archives. Do you think the Grateful Dead is rerecording all thier old vault releases? Their fans would laugh in their faces and not buy them. I am equally irritated that Hackett rerecorded the Firth of Fifth solo on the Rainbow show. Its that old English uptight curmudgeonness coming out.

Third, I disagree that Peter's disinclination to reunite with Genesis is in any way an insult to his musical legacy. I suspect this period of Peter's career is very dear to him and he is seriously concerned that 'going back' may only dilute the memories he has of those early days.

Again see above. If you can't even sing the great tunes that brought you fame and fortune in the first place, and influenced a whole genre of rock music, then what was the point? Music is meant to be replayed, not tucked away in a scrapbook where no one ever sees or hears it again. Can you imagine Sinatra saying---I am not going to sing I've Got You Under My Skin anymore because I don't want to revisit my past, or Dylan not playing Like A Rolling Stone, or Waters ignoring Dark Side of the Moon like it never existed? He is demeaning the significance of those songs by NOT playing them.

They all sat in a room earlier this year and from what I gather, everyone was on board except for one person, who they said they can't get a commitment out of. We all know who that is. There is one person holding up a potential 5 man reunion. And its not Hackett.

[nickm]

Believe me, I would absolutely LOVE to see a five-man reunion! In fact, I would seriously consider enduring a 24-hour flight to the UK (or 12 to the States) just to be there.

I wonder, has Peter ever been asked why he doesn't do any Genesis songs? I'd be really interested to know the reason. I'm sure an interviewer must have asked him at some point in the last 30 years.

I can't believe he thinks it's beneath him though. It may be more to do with those songs not being a comfortable fit with the stuff he does now. Who knows?, but I always get the impression that Peter is a very humble man - so the idea of him being elitist or arrogant is hard for me to imagine.

As for the 'uptight' English, you could argue that it is precisely that uptightness or attention to detail that made Genesis what they were in the 70s. Perhaps if they hadn't been such perfectionists they wouldn't have made the brilliantly creative music that they did?

For all we know Peter may think that the later Genesis stuff was poor, and this might be the reason behind his apparent reluctance to be too closely linked to them. Pink Floyd didn't go commercial/pop in the same way as Genesis did. Perhaps if they'd written Invisible Touch or Anything She Does then Waters may have been less inclined to play the old stuff? We can only guess.

Maybe he always sings Solsbury Hill for the same reason that Genesis play I Can't Dance - because it was a big hit single and he knows there will be casual fans in the audience wanting to hear it? Or maybe it's special to him because of its relevance to his Genesis days?

Or maybe he is an arrogant old git who thinks he's above it all but is happy to string us all along with ifs and maybes?

Oh, and I'm glad he doesn't restrict his setlists to songs from his current album. It would make his concerts a bit bloody short if he did!

[jebho62]

An open apology to nickm - sorry Nick about that load of crap comment about warm beer - I realized the hurt I've caused with my statement. The English have suffered enough over the centuries at the hands of insensitive people like me. Again sorry.

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This is what the Cashman would've said to Pete about his statement about looking backward, I'm sure. Pete's been mollycoddled long enough by his adoring fans (I being one of them). Time to tell this jackball how we feel. On the other hand Phil has taken a lot of crap over the years from so called fans so from Phil to Pete, Pete meet the late, great Mr. Cash.

[earlofmar07]

Two thoughts on any possible Reunion/Lamb Tour:

No Hackett, I'm not interested. All 5 from the album or none.



A larger part me somewhat hopes that it never happens, because of all of the enormous hype. It would probably sicken me. Also the expectations could never be met. It could be a great concert(probably would be), but people would expect too much and would gripe about it.


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[Visionsofangels]

Originally Posted by jebho62

An open apology to nickm - sorry Nick about that load of crap comment about warm beer - I realized the hurt I've caused with my statement. The English have suffered enough over the centuries at the hands of insensitive people like me. Again sorry.

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For posterity here it is:


This is what the Cashman would've said to Pete about his statement about looking backward, I'm sure. Pete's been mollycoddled long enough by his adoring fans (I being one of them). Time to tell this jackball how we feel. On the other hand Phil has taken a lot of crap over the years from so called fans so from Phil to Pete, Pete meet the late, great Mr. Cash.

"love is a burning thing
& it makes a firery ring
bound by wild desire
I fell into a ring of fire..........

I fell into a burning ring of fire
I went down, down, down
and the flames went higher
and it burns, burns, burns
the ring of fire
the ring of fire"................

[jebho62]

Originally Posted by Visionsofangels

"love is a burning thing
& it makes a firery ring
bound by wild desire
I fell into a ring of fire..........

I fell into a burning ring of fire
I went down, down, down
and the flames went higher
and it burns, burns, burns
the ring of fire
the ring of fire"................

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I keep a close watch on this heart of mine
I keep my eyes wide open all the time
I keep the ends out for the tie that binds
Because you're mine, I walk the line

I find it very, very easy to be true
I find myself alone when each day is through
Yes, I'll admit that I'm a fool for you
Because you're mine, I walk the line

[Danlaw83]

..from gabriel....IT AIN't ME babe
NAW NAW NAWww It ain't me babe
it ain't me your looking for....babe.

time to move on...hopefull we will get a solo album in the next 5 years from the man. HEAR HEAR SQUONKMAN!

[nickm]

Originally Posted by jebho62

An open apology to nickm - sorry Nick about that load of crap comment about warm beer - I realized the hurt I've caused with my statement.

We'll cope!

Give me a cold pint of lager anytime!

[Danlaw83]

I feel everytime I see Peter give an interview, I lose more and more hope on a Genesis reunion with Gabriel!