TotW 05/27/2024 - 06/02/2024: GENESIS - Not About Us

  • Your rating for "Not About Us" by GENESIS 26

    1. 15 points - outstanding (1) 4%
    2. 14 points - very good (1) 4%
    3. 13 points - very good - (2) 8%
    4. 12 points - good + (3) 12%
    5. 11 points - good (12) 46%
    6. 10 points - good - (2) 8%
    7. 09 points - satisfactory + (1) 4%
    8. 08 points - satisfactory (2) 8%
    9. 07 points - satisfactory - (1) 4%
    10. 06 points - sufficient + (1) 4%
    11. 05 points - sufficient (0) 0%
    12. 04 points - sufficient - (0) 0%
    13. 03 points - poor + (0) 0%
    14. 02 points - poor (0) 0%
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    GENESIS - Not About Us

    Year: 1997
    Album: Calling All Stations
    Working title: Acoustic EMI
    Credits: Banks, Rutherford, Wilson
    Lyrics: Yes
    Length: 4:46
    Musicians: Tony Banks, Mike Rutherford, Ray Wilson, Nir Z.
    Played Live: 1997, 1998
    Cover versions: RPWL

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    Notes: This track was the last single from their last ever studio album. A radio-friends-type-of-song, yet for some too close to what Mike did with his Mechanics a couple of years earlier. What do you think?

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    Christian


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  • I like the CAS album well enough, but I don't consider "Not About Us" to be one of the better tracks on it. It's OK, but I feel like a lot could have been done lyrically with the concept of "it's not about us anymore" that the lyricist (whoever it was) didn't even begin to explore.

    “When the waitress asked if I wanted my pizza cut into four or eight slices, I said, ‘Four. I don’t think I can eat eight.’” -- Yogi Berra


    A soldier survived mustard gas in combat, and then pepper spray from the police. He's now a seasoned veteran.

  • It’s an ok song, but it’s lacking something - Phil would have put in a key change or a proper middle eight which would have taken it to another level. Instead it just plods on and then fades out. It’s competent but uninspiring. Sadly not the only song on the album to suffer that fate.

  • It's one of the best songs on Destroying All Credibility, but nonetheless extremely vanilla. And it's yet another track on this album that is undermined by Tony's uncharacteristically unimaginative keyboards. I'm referring to the 3 minute mark. So many examples of that sort of thing on Destroying.

  • It's not an exciting one but it just about has something that keeps me interested.


    EDIT - but yes, it's an exemplar of how Banks seems be running out of steam and losing interest across this album.

    Abandon all reason

  • It's one of the best songs on Destroying All Credibility

    Hmm, interesting nickname for the album.


    And, while we're at it, I guess we can refer to the CAS tour as "Canceling American Shows."

    “When the waitress asked if I wanted my pizza cut into four or eight slices, I said, ‘Four. I don’t think I can eat eight.’” -- Yogi Berra


    A soldier survived mustard gas in combat, and then pepper spray from the police. He's now a seasoned veteran.

  • I guess we can refer to the CAS tour as "Canceling American Shows."

    Other possible album options:


    Coming Apart Suddenly (what happened after the album & tour)

    Confused, Angry, Shrugging (some fans' reactions)

    C'mon, Actually Satisfying (other fans' reactions)

    Completely Atrophied Synths (what might have happened to Banks's keyboards)

    Abandon all reason

  • Hmm, interesting nickname for the album.


    And, while we're at it, I guess we can refer to the CAS tour as "Canceling American Shows."

    I can’t hide it (and never have on this forum): I think that album is a musical travesty and a stain on the band’s great history. The failures to (a) properly integrate Ray, (b) show some musical bravery for a new beginning, (c) lower Tony’s uncharacteristically bad keyboard sounds in the mix and (d) give the whole thing more time and a second album were huge mistakes to me. Marillion reinvented themselves in the 90s but Genesis became caricatures; lost in some no man’s land where they wanted to show they were fine without Phil and could be ballsier, but failing at both. This is off topic though and I won’t say more!


    Back on topic, I think this song is a contender for best on the album even if I could be damning with faint praise.

  • Yes! Except the “satisfying” one in my case!


  • I think this is one of the better songs on the album - it actually feels thought out and arranged. Ray does well.


    It's funny. I've always thought that CAS has been unfairly dismissed. I think there are some really good songs on there, especially One Man's Fool, which I think is one of their best late period songs.


    But I've revisited the album recently and it now just feels like a midtempo, badly arranged, slightly dirgey set of tracks. Ive realised that the good songs are horribly outnumbered.


    For the first time I'm really start to wonder what they were thinking. And it potentially illustrates just what Phil took with him - not just the voice and drumming of course. But a sense of what the song is supposed to be doing and where it is going. That is sadly lacking on this album.