• Some good banter on here though. Thank you Backdrifter for starting the thread and credit to IWishItWouldRainDown for mentioning Joe Elliott, who in turn mentioned Bruce Dickinson. UP THE IRONS! A truly outstanding British band (built from a love of Genesis too, surprisingly) and a band who commercialised their brand without taking the p1ss out of their fans.

    An excellent contribution, to which I would add the discourse improbably led me to discover than Maidenhead is a term for fans of Iron Maiden, and is in turn the name of one of my favorite Protomartyr songs. I doubt it's a coincidence and at some point I'll remember to investigate the potential link further.


    Oasis - can't blame em in the least for cashing in, at least as regards reforming and touring, not the ripping off fans part. There was a playlist of their songs at work last week and there were one or two mildly enjoyable ones I'd forgotten about but overall very uninspiring.

  • I shall now run for cover!

    No need for that. You make some fair points. Most here seem to lean more to the 'dislike' side, either full-on or with the caveat of liking a few of their tunes. I especially applaud your point that if fans didn't roll over and accept being ripped off, we might not see such blatant opportunism. That applies regardless of the act or how high the prices. In this case, some fans were in the queue for 5+ hours and finally got through to find their tickets had tripled in price. I'm sure some probably gave up in disgust, but clearly not enough to make a difference.


    Yes NG/LG were total gobshites, perhaps less so now with age. They benefited hugely from one of those 'zeitgeist moments' and a shallow media but while I mostly share your uninterest in their music there's no denying their broad appeal. I agree, if they can royally clean up from this tour, why shouldn't they. For top-name acts it's live tours that earn the big bucks and, increasingly, catalogue sell-off. They've got their kids' futures to secure. But yeah, what a shame it involves horrible practices such as dynamic pricing.


    The Elliot/Leppard tangent is daft though. He's in one of the most successful bands ever - 100million albums sold, I think it is - I'm no DL fan but that's one hell of an achievement. All the acts he gripes about* are either bigger sellers or otherwise culturally significant in some way, and all are successful on their own terms as well as having many detractors as happens when that high a profile is attained. He seems to have made his own straw man there.


    * A qualifier - I realise that published interviews can distort what's been said for the sake of sparking some additional interest so I don't rule that out in this case.

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  • It's [...] essentially a simple whiny case of "it's not FAIR!"

    The Elliot/Leppard tangent is daft though. [...] All the acts he gripes about* are either bigger sellers or otherwise culturally significant in some way, and all are successful on their own terms as well as having many detractors as happens when that high a profile is attained. He seems to have made his own straw man there.


    * A qualifier - I realise that published interviews can distort what's been said for the sake of sparking some additional interest so I don't rule that out in this case.

    Well, he was not reclaiming only himself or his band, but other bands and singers.

    And in truth, Depeche Mode have had some brutal sales throughout their career, not to mention their influence. Iron Maiden likewise.

    But how many times they have got any mentioning from the key media players? :?::/

  • I absolutely can't stand Oasis. I tried so hard to like them when everybody else did and I bought Definitely Maybe too, but I couldn't get it over the line. Eyewateringly derivative music and hellishly ear-torturing production. They just took obvious influences from the past, added distortion, excessive compression and a Manc twang, then declared themselves a musical revolution. Odious individuals too.

    You have defined his recordings perfectly except for one point.

    They don't have Manc twang at all.

    Their speech is gibberish, a completely different thing.

    Give your head a wobble.

    Among those with mint Manc twang one could find Mark E Smith and New Order.

  • You have defined his recordings perfectly except for one point.

    They don't have Manc twang at all.

    Their speech is gibberish, a completely different thing.

    Give your head a wobble.

    Among those with mint Manc twang one could find Mark E Smith and New Order.

    Oasis are from Manchester and speak with Mancunian accents, but to you it is 'gibberish' because you don't like them. OK. Oh, and as for the 'circus' comment above, what did you think would happen when they reformed?

  • What????


    The continuous sycophancy shown by the papers towards them for the last three decades is something outrageous.

    There was a huge backlash against them which began with Be Here Now, and continued.


    Anyway, I am listening to Be Here Now at the moment, and while it doesn't touch the first two albums, it isn't nearly as bad as was made out. The major flaws are at the end with All Around The World, 9 minutes of trying to mix Hey Jude & Champagne Supernova & failing, and It's Getting Better (Man) which is just repetitve noise (so is Fade-In Out, to some extent).. Songs like Magic Pie, Don't Go Away, Stand By Me & the title track stiil sound good to my ears. So I will just plough my lonely furrow a bit longer.

  • I think the narrowback unibrow goblins in question always had a psycho-sexual crush on Mr Collins, hence their obsessive slagging-off of him.

    (Ten or fifteen years earlier PC's answer would have been far more aggressive.)

    Some other examples of their nastiness.

    They wished AIDS on Blur at a pre-HAART time.

    Blur would put the other cheek.

    They called Michael Hutchence from InXS a finished man in public when it was well-known that he was in the middle of some serious psychological problems.

    Shortly afterwards, he would commit suicide.

    And more, more, more things...while they always get away with them.

    There are also their anti-democratic, IRA and misogynistic tendencies.

    Now they start insulting their own fans.

    Whatever...

    And no, they have not become less nasty as they get older.

    The fact is that the biggest bastards are also the biggest arse-lickers of all toadies, apart from being the prickliest ones.

    PS: They also envy PC for having two eyebrows while they have only one.

  • There was a huge backlash against them which began with Be Here Now, and continued.

    Correct. The claim of "continuous sycophancy for 3 decades" is hysterical nonsense. For anyone with any objectivity who's been paying attention it's clear that following the 94-98 feeding frenzy the media arc settled into much less overheated coverage and a more considered appraisal of their subsequent work which wasn't immune to criticism, far from it. Obviously there was a spike in attention with the breakup, then a levelling off with fairly standard coverage of the two sets of solo work as you'd expect with high-profile acts. I suppose if you've decided you detest them to the extent you claim they speak "gibberish" - (ahem) - you might well characterise that media track record as "three decades of continuous sycophancy".


    (Cue multiple back-to-back posts - can the earlier run of 8 be beaten?!)

    Abandon all reason

  • Oh dear.

  • Just a few observations before I close with this topic:

    Most of Oasis' fanbase are not working-class by any means, quite the contrary.

    And the other way round, most blue-collar workers don't like the band at all.

    The stance of the band itself is quite classist, showing a strong contempt for the working-class and Middle England.

    I don't think Oasis is a pub-rock band (Dr Feelgood were a good band of that genre).

    The general opinion in England towards the GG is very negative, myself included.

    Going with Iron Maiden equivalents, imagine some members at the Irons' chat throwing up their hands because more than one fellow dared to criticise Sharon Osbourne (the Ironers know what I mean).