GENESIS - UK/Ireland Tour 2020 rescheduled for FALL 2021

  • Smart motorways are, indeed, a dumb idea. But they are purely a political decision, no one forced it on anyone. A virus however, doesn't follow a political agenda, it follows biology.


    So, given your "clear" expertise on the subject, explain Brazil, and how no action at all has been better or worse than your (factually inaccurate in places) assessment of places that have dealt with the pandemic.

    Ian


    Works with chess - Not with life

  • Indeed. As per your list, many of the things that the UK government have got wrong in the pandemic were done because they were following whatever was “the science” & the SAGE experts’ opinion at that particular time. “The science” & opinion then changed & the government changed the rules accordingly.


    But since the start of the pandemic any questioning, of “the science” has been decried as misinformation. Respected scientists expressing valid concerns about lockdown’s effects on missed cancer treatments, heart attacks, strokes etc were attacked in the press or silenced e.g. by having social media accounts suspended. Yes the obvious loons who think Bill Gates is injecting people with microchips & suchlike should be ignored, but the general groupthink condemnation of any sort of questioning, however reasonable or well-informed it may be, is just as worrying.

  • The fascinating thing about sciences and scientists is ... they can be wrong, as they always have to deal with what's going on during a specific time / moment. And there's a difference between an assumption and evidence. We have learned a lot about this virus during the last 18 months. Measures taken are political decisions, which are hopefully based on scientific evidence. How effective some measures are can always be discussed, but it's pretty obvious that gathering in rooms does not help fight a pandemic. And this brings any health system down.

    It's also quite obvious that the UK government is not the best example for a good crisis management.


    Having said that, and coming back to topic with that, I am pretty shocked that the UK government will allow 60,000 people in a stadium for the EURO finale. The virus and its delta-variant now keeps spreading among younger people in the UK. My hope for Genesis shows this fall in the UK is pretty much gone.

  • My social media footprint, admittedly never very expansive anyway, has narrowed to this site and YouTube because I grew so weary of the politicization of seemingly every conversation. While I realize this is a single thread on this site I would like to express my sincere wish that we just put the more politicized fragments of the thread to rest. Less lecturing on the politics of pandemics and more listening to each other’s opinions on the world’s best band sounds splendid to me.

  • My social media footprint, admittedly never very expansive anyway, has narrowed to this site and YouTube because I grew so weary of the politicization of seemingly every conversation. While I realize this is a single thread on this site I would like to express my sincere wish that we just put the more politicized fragments of the thread to rest. Less lecturing on the politics of pandemics and more listening to each other’s opinions on the world’s best band sounds splendid to me.

    Hear! Hear!

  • The fascinating thing about sciences and scientists is ... they can be wrong, as they always have to deal with what's going on during a specific time / moment. And there's a difference between an assumption and evidence. We have learned a lot about this virus during the last 18 months. Measures taken are political decisions, which are hopefully based on scientific evidence. How effective some measures are can always be discussed, but it's pretty obvious that gathering in rooms does not help fight a pandemic. And this brings any health system down.

    It's also quite obvious that the UK government is not the best example for a good crisis management.


    Having said that, and coming back to topic with that, I am pretty shocked that the UK government will allow 60,000 people in a stadium for the EURO finale. The virus and its delta-variant now keeps spreading among younger people in the UK. My hope for Genesis shows this fall in the UK is pretty much gone.

    Hi Christian. Yes, that’s a pity : they will be forced to postpone again the UK tour. For the american leg of the tour, there’s actually no specific problems.

  • Measures taken are political decisions, which are hopefully based on scientific evidence.

    Hopefully! But they are not, I guess. Everyday now there is more evidence that most measures taken are based on nothing but false (or better: irrelevant) numbers.

    Anyway, as the US is opening up everything to full capacity as many European countries do - why not UK, too? Germany will - as always - be the last in line.

    :!:

  • Hopefully! But they are not, I guess. Everyday now there is more evidence that most measures taken are based on nothing but false (or better: irrelevant) numbers.

    Anyway, as the US is opening up everything to full capacity as many European countries do - why not UK, too? Germany will - as always - be the last in line.

    Still trotting out the party line, eh? Coronavirus rallies: Germany′s growing anti-lockdown movement | Germany| News and in-depth reporting from Berlin and beyond | DW | 06.08.2020


    DW (Deutsche Welle) is Germany's equivalent to the BBC World Service, and has a similar, highly regarded, high standard of reporting. And as seen in this article, they have had a reporter harangued by the protesters, just like the BBC did last week I believe, at an anti-lockdown rally.


    I commented on Brazil the other day, in reply to another misguided commenter, and was "told" :rolleyes: it was irrelevant to the issue. Odd! The country whose leadership has done nothing about the pandemic now has the biggest death rate currently ravaging the country, having failed to tackle this "non-existent" virus.


    Isn't it ironic that information technology has enabled the misinformers and the misinformed more than anyone.

    Ian


    Works with chess - Not with life

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  • 16,000 new cases in the UK yesterday. If the tour goes ahead in the UK, I will surely be without fans from outside the UK. Can't see this happening now (travelling etc), but on the other hand, there are everal weeks left.

    some are wise ... and some otherwise

  • Fuuny! You have scandals, I have diversions. :/


    Still, at least we agree on something: Not wasting time on each other.

    Ian


    Works with chess - Not with life

  • Hear! Hear!

    Hey LL. Are you in PA? I thought you may have mentioned PA in one of your posts. The reason I’m bringing it up is to ask you if you’ve ever seen the Genesis cover bands that play the Keswick Theater just outside Philly? In addition to the renowned cover band the Musical Box I’ve seen the cover band The Genesis Show several times. They cover the 1976-1982 era and put on a helluva show. I’m proud to say that I’ve converted my girlfriend into a hardcore Genesis freak. We are seeing the MB in November a week after we see Genesis in Washington, DC (we live on the lower eastern shore of MD) and have tix for TGS as well, though that show is still being rescheduled. Long story short if you haven’t seen those bands (especially the Genesis Show) I highly recommend checking them out!

  • Hey LL. Are you in PA? I thought you may have mentioned PA in one of your posts. The reason I’m bringing it up is to ask you if you’ve ever seen the Genesis cover bands that play the Keswick Theater just outside Philly? In addition to the renowned cover band the Musical Box I’ve seen the cover band The Genesis Show several times. They cover the 1976-1982 era and put on a helluva show. I’m proud to say that I’ve converted my girlfriend into a hardcore Genesis freak. We are seeing the MB in November a week after we see Genesis in Washington, DC (we live on the lower eastern shore of MD) and have tix for TGS as well, though that show is still being rescheduled. Long story short if you haven’t seen those bands (especially the Genesis Show) I highly recommend checking them out!

    Hi! Yes I’m from outside of Philadelphia. I can honestly say that I’ve never seen a Genesis cover band, but would love too! I was looking for when the Musical Box may be playing again, that’s good to know. I’ll have to check them out. I’ve heard that they are top notch!

  • Hi! Yes I’m from outside of Philadelphia. I can honestly say that I’ve never seen a Genesis cover band, but would love too! I was looking for when the Musical Box may be playing again, that’s good to know. I’ll have to check them out. I’ve heard that they are top notch!

    TMB is superb! They are doing an unusual setlist this time around. The first half of the concert will be stuff from 1976-78. The second half will be Gabriel-era material (they usually do strictly Gabriel-era tours).. The show is November 27 at the Keswick. The Genesis Show concert is slated for somewhere in NJ. I saw them in Colllingswood, NJ a couple of years ago. I wore my Baltimore Ravens sweatshirt. The guy at the door looked at it and said “Daaaaamn. Coming all the way up here? You are a hardcore fan!” They did the Encore Tour that night. I’ve also seen them put on the W&W tour a couple of times. They definitely didn’t disappoint. This next show is supposed to be the Three Sides Live album start to finish followed by select numbers from the Six of the Best benefit concert Genesis did with Gabriel in 1982.

  • This is a 6 hour drive from me. Could I say I'm going out to get some milk?

    Easiest way is to break down any resistance from the inside. In my case my girlfriend went from “Oh yeah, Genesis. I love Invisible Touch!”

    to her loving Supper’s Ready as much as I do. Rare is the day when we don’t listen to that song, with her singing along note for note (she has a great singing voice). Her new-found love of all eras of Genesis music plus turning it into an excuse to stay overnight in a hotel near the venue seals the deal :)

  • With Elbow rescheduling there tour to 2022, Genesis are now the first bands to play the 3Arena in Dublin since the start of the pandemic


    Very hard to see the shows going ahead as planned and its extremely possible the UK shows will go ahead with the Dublin ones cancelled because of the extremely cautious approach the Irish Government are adopting