Posts by OneForTheVine

Thank you, everyone, for all the replies so far! I think you have all collectively nailed the ID of the "duck"!

Midwestdrums , thank you very much for reminding me that I have these 5.1 mixes as well! See, since I strongly prefer the original CD version (over both the Definitive Edition Remaster and the 2007 remaster) of "Duke" for my personal listening, I sometimes forget that I do have a very good multichannel version of it, both on SACD and DVD. I will make time to listen to the SACD version as soon as I can manage it and see if I can hear Phil in it. (I'm sensing I'll hear him better there.)

I love "Duke". And yet, I still have burning unresolved curiosities about it, both ultimately arising from the liner notes.

The first one: if you read the liner notes, you will see that both Tony and Phil are credited as having the requisite musical skill to play something called a "duck" (Mike, apparently, lacked the qualifications to play it, or simply chose not to). Since I am reasonably sure that those two didn't bring a couple of real bird ducks to the recording sessions, what the f*ck is a "duck"? Is it the device that makes the electronic "quacky" sound that occurs during the quiet sections of "Duchess" (although I always thought those came from the drum machine)? In short, what is it?

The second one: if you read the liner notes, you will see that Dave Hentschel is credited with "backing vocals" (and has a little star-looking symbol next to it to draw attention to it). I have listened to this album more times than I care to attempt to count, and I don't hear any non-Phil/Mike/Tony vocals, except possibly in one song.

When someone's voice is electronically altered, it still sounds like the vocalist. It's altered, of course, but the unique sound and timbre of the vocalist is still there. When Brian Eno treated Peter's vocals in "The Grand Parade Of Lifeless Packaging", it still sounds like Peter, just multiple bizarre versions of Peter. The "Peter-ness" of the voice was still there despite the alteration. If you sing out of your normal range, you still sound like you - you just sound like you are singing bizarrely. The "you-ness" of your voice will still be there.

So, something has always made me ponder about the vocals in "Man Of Our Times" every time I listen to it. There is one section that simply does not sound like Phil, Mike, or Tony singing at all, even electronically altered. The section "All at once I can see what we do / Me into me and you into you / Me into me and you into you" sounds like a wholly different voice. The same voice is in the background during "No more me into me and you into you" a few lines later. So, is it possible that this is actually Dave's voice? I have thought about this a long time, over very many listens, and I simply can't arrive at a different conclusion. If anyone has definitive proof otherwise, please offer it. I'm willing to be convinced otherwise. Has anyone else ever thought about this during this song?

The floor is yours.

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Thanks for the heads up about the pre-sale. Tickets are in the bag for the O2. Possibly, like Genesis, the last time we'll see them live.

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Many thanks for the tip. I didn’t know about this tour & got tickets for Manchester this morning. This afternoon the pre-sale had sold out. Never seen them before. It’s a shame Brian Eno won’t be with them, but Genesis fans know the feeling

Only 3 UK dates seems quite modest though; I’d have thought they’d have done more than that.

You are both welcome!

It is the overly understated way that this tour has been rolled out that led me to posting about it here, complete with the pre-sale password. Let me tell you how I found out about it...

I get emails from every venue where I have seen a show. That, of course, is standard industry practice, and it's mostly a good one. Anyway, large venues host sporting events as well as concerts; so, being on the mailing list for one kind of event usually signs you up for mailing lists for all events (this is less good of a standard industry practice, but I'll certainly forgive them this time). The local professional ice hockey team in Philadelphia sent me an email Tuesday morning to announce their upcoming games (the team is having a historically bad season, so sending out more marketing emails is probably a good thing - attendance at the games now must be dreadful). Anyway, as I was scrolling down the message, in the banner ad at THE VERY BOTTOM OF THE EMAIL was the announcement about this Roxy Music reunion tour! I just stared at it for a few seconds. The way it looked (and where it was located in the email) I just assumed that it must have been announcing some kind of 50th anniversary celebration of the band for fans of the band, maybe with a tribute band playing. It was so underwhelming-looking that I didn't recognize it as a proper announcement of a real reunion tour.

Reading it more closely, it began to dawn on me that this might be a real reunion tour announcement. So, I went to Bryan Ferry's website (I knew his would be active; the one specifically dedicated to Roxy Music isn't always active) - sure enough, the RM reunion tour was a real thing, and Bryan (or, more likely, his webmaster), very helpfully, posted the pre-sale links and password. After I scored my ticket, I made it my temporary mission in life to tell as many people as I could that this tour was actually occurring. I found out completely by accident, and I'm sure that there would be others in the same boat. It looks like I guessed properly.

Anyway, you two enjoy your shows, and I will enjoy mine! I'm just so happy that it's happening!

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Regarding Roxy, I like the first 5 albums but have no interest in Manifesto onwards. When they toured about 20(?) years ago I ignored it, believing they'd focus mainly on the later stuff. A friend did go, for the same reason. We both ended up frustrated as apparently they did mainly pre-Manifesto stuff which he didn't know or like much and which I'd have liked to see.

This time around though, either way I'll skip it anyway.

Well, if you're not interested, you're not interested. You did miss out on the 2002 tour, though - that was mostly the first five albums, and they played the songs from them amazingly well.

Yes, the last three studio albums from them always divide opinion. "Manifesto" is the single weirdest album they ever recorded. It is completely unlike any other album of theirs. Every time I listen to it (which isn't often), I am puzzled at the end. I don't hate the album, but I definitely don't love it either. Paul Thompson was so disillusioned by it that he left the band after the tour. "Flesh And Blood" is more palatable, but still a bit unusual as well. We'll have to agree to disagree on "Avalon", though - yes, it's unlike the first five albums, but it is still a superlative piece of work. Despite its being different from the original sound of the band, it's still great.

I wanted to see them in 2011 too (which everyone thought was their farewell tour, just like everyone thought 2007 was the last tour for Genesis). I was living in the UK at the time, and the closest show to me was in Nottingham. Unfortunately, the show was in mid-February and on a Tuesday night, so I just couldn't rationalize going. It pained me not to go. Then, after Andy Mackay's retirement announcement, I thought that was it for good for RM. So, my shock yesterday morning was intense! I missed them in 2011 when I thought it was the end; I'm not missing them now when I'm even more positive that it's the end. I'm just happy they scheduled a show in Philadelphia. They were very selective about which cities they were playing (again, just like Genesis on their just-finished tour). I would have gone to NYC since they are playing at MSG; however, a Monday night in NYC vs. a Thursday night in Philly - that's an easy choice. I'm just glad I had one.

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I read about this yesterday and was shocked. I envy you - I hope they consider coming here. I saw Ferry in 2019 & he was very good.

Yes, I hope they come down there as well. Ferry solo is very good. The first time I saw him was when I went on vacation to Dublin in 2000. I just happened to be there when he put on two concerts at the Olympia Theatre (I think those shows were a part of an annual festival there; they were widely acknowledged later as the surprise hit of the festival). I got a ticket at the last minute, and the show was AMAZING! He sprinkled a LOT of Roxy into the setlist. My greatest memory from the show was the performance of "Bitter-Sweet" from the "Country Life" album. WOW...just WOW! In fact, I think this tour was what inspired him to think about reuniting the band. He had worked with Phil Manzanera for the first time in a while on the album he was promoting on this tour (the "As Time Goes By" album; I think Phil played on "I'm In The Mood For Love"). Just a great show. I saw him again at the Beacon Theatre in NYC on the "Frantic" tour, not too long after the first RM reunion in 2002. That was great too.

Anyway, if this is a retirement tour (and I can't see how it isn't), I hope they come down there too.

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On a slight tangent, but even the trimmed-down 1980 show was still interesting, creative and lovely to look at. It had two really outstanding moments: "Outside the cage..." with the stark vertical beams of white lights creating a cage-like effect, and am I right in thinking it was the first appearance of the dramatic magenta backlighting in Afterglow? The ethereal green light worked brilliantly in the Duchess intro, as did the strobing at the first instrumental break in OFTV.

I'm a food fanatic and sometimes think the best way of testing a restaurant etc is to try the simplest thing to see how well they do it - eg just tomato, cheese and basil on a pizza, plain milk ice cream. If those basic items taste really good you can be fairly sure everything they do will be good quality. The Duke Tour stage show followed this principle - it was the most stripped-back basic show of the trio era, shorne of all fancy effects yet it still looked great.

Yes, I agree with everything you said here. I was trying to be brief in differentiating the visuals of the Duke tour; I wasn't at all trying to be disparaging of them. The visuals were great on the Duke tour; however, they were definitely more economical compared to those of the tours on either side of it. They employed a "less is more" approach. The visuals were more subtle, but still very effective.

OK, well, my next gig is Steve Hackett at the Scottish Rite Auditorium on April 8th. Of course, I am looking forward to it very much! 👍

However, I am really here to tell you about a ticket I just bought, for an act I thought was not ever going on the road again (just like with Genesis before they announced “The Last Domino?”).

Roxy Music is doing a small run of shows in honor of their 50th anniversary in North America and the UK! The original band (minus Brian Eno, of course) is going on the road again - yes, even Andy Mackay, who had somewhat recently announced his retirement from live performance due to his Dupuytren’s Contracture. I guess he found a treatment/training regimen that worked for him.

There is a pre-sale going on RIGHT NOW. If you want to take part in it, the password is “ROXY50” (without the quotation marks) for pre-sales on both sides of the pond.

I already have my ticket for Philadelphia, three days before the general on-sale. If you are a Roxy fan, now is your chance to see them again, and very likely for the last time.

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Photo by Grant Fuller

That's a stunning photo (and it was taken during the song that will, more than any other, be my enduring memory of the show I saw: "Duchess").

If you had told me in advance of the tour that one of my greatest memories from it would be a video of the movements of multi-colored dots, there is no way I could have taken that seriously. However, after seeing exactly that during a spectacular performance of "Duchess" on this tour, it was truly one of the peak moments of the show. I'm glad that Grant captured a moment from it.

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It's a brilliant shirt and I coveted it especially as it prominently lists several venues in my part of SW London such as the Toby Jug, Twickenham Tech, Kingston Hotel and St Mary's College - the latter being a former workplace of mine. The area was a rich catchment area for live music in the early 70s.

Frustratingly, the merch stands displayed the shirt despite having apparently completely sold out by early on night 2. I'm still massively irritated by it!

It's a nice greyish blue with the 'collage letters' logo on the front and a word-cloud style listing of London venues on the back, with 'GENESIS LIVE IN LONDON 1969-2022'. As you say, I really hope there's some online availability but I instinctively doubt it.

Don't give up hope that the London shirt won't end up on one/both of the official online stores. I think it's more likely to happen than not.

The shirts for the shows that were fortunate to get specific ones came online within a week. I witnessed the one made for Philadelphia sell out during the show I saw (I was at the second night - before the show, they had them on sale; after the show, they were completely gone. (Yes, I did manage to get one.)) There could be a longer gap before putting them on the sites since they have another "full tour" shirt for sale that was just recently released. However, I bet it will eventually be sold in the official store. LOTS of people will want it, whether or not they were actually at any of the shows.

Have you seen the North American ones? Your description perfectly matched the ones made for the shows here:

https://store.genesis-music.co…w-arrivals?cp=84226_99477

Well, since we're already on page 4, why not another post?

I thought it was a shame not to record it originally, but, yes, ultimately it's the band's decision to make/release a DVD/BluRay of any given tour (whether or not one agrees with their decision). Both pro and con views on recording make sense. However, nothing's coming officially, and that's the way it is.

One of the reasons I thought it was a shame not to have more extensively documented a show or two from this tour because there were things that were uniquely excellent about it. The sound of the songs was really strong. Nic really gave a lot of new energy to the songs. When I first heard about backing vocalists on the tour, I was highly dubious. However, they really sounded good and they complemented Phil's vocals well. I even liked the acoustic section, and - again, at first - I thought I wouldn't like that. When I heard/saw it live, though, it was wonderful. In short, the band came up with a truly valid and good tour, despite the extensive obstacles in advance of it.

Another reason I was hoping for an officially recorded memento of this tour was the visual element of the show. Their tours, starting with "Wind & Wuthering" and doubly so from "Abacab" onward, were always outstanding visually (except "Duke" which was understated on purpose). Just as with aspects of the audio, the light show for this tour was also uniquely excellent. With their lighting array, they came up with a way to use the entire arena for the visuals instead of having them just up by the stage. One of songs that really employed it well was "No Son Of Mine" - the whole floor area of the arena was part of the light show. There were other songs that used the extended arm over the floor area well too. Stated more briefly, it was one of my favorite tours visually as well as aurally.

So, I fully accept that nothing is coming officially, but I still feel that that decision is a bit of a shame. These feelings are not mutually exclusive. Yes, I'll watch the videos on YouTube that some concert attendees were kind enough to record and upload, just like everyone else who wants to see them. However, I'll always have a little regret that there won't be an official professionally-recorded version of a show from this tour. Thank goodness for the memories from the show; those will last for as long as I'm here.

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Awesome, thanks all! Seems the answer was in plain sight!! (would not surprise my wife in the least!) My old memory was off by a few years in its "time table"!

Don't feel bad - for me, the Abacab/TSL/Genesis albums make up one distinct era of the band, one I consider to be one of their many studio and live peaks. Blended memories of that time make complete sense to me!

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They also offer a special London history shirt. Haven't checked whether or not the data stated is accurate.

Does anyone have a picture of this shirt, especially of the back?

I’m hoping that ends up in one of the online shops soon.

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Fellow fans, hoping someone can help me track down the source of an old MTV broadcast of Genesis live in concert. I'm trying to locate it partially for nostalgic reasons, since it was the show that really "hooked" me as a Genesis fan, but also because I'd love to see & hear how it differs from Three Sides Live. I re-viewed TSL yesterday, assuming that was actually what MTV had shown, but with that fresh in mind it's definitely not the same footage.

I don't remember if this concert was an MTV-unique airing, actually live from the show, or if it was edited & rebroadcast. I assume it was shown in 1982-3... nearly 40 years on some details are fuzzy, but I specifically remember Phil bantering with the audience about "In the Cage"... someone kept calling out for that song, and Phil eventually shouted something to the effect of "we'll bloody well play 'In the Cage' when we're ready!" Did anyone else see that broadcast?

This sounds an awful lot like the exchange in “The MAMA Tour” video.

Do you already have that show on DVD? If not, look for the “1981 - 2007: The Movie Box” set that they released after the three boxsets of their studio albums.

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I saw this on another forum... thought it was a really amazing coincidence:

26 March, 1976 - London, ON (Phil's first ever gig on lead vocals)

26 March, 2022 - London, UK (Phil's final ever gig on lead vocals)

Here’s another:

26 March, 2009 - John Mayhew (the drummer just before Phil took over) passed away (that was in Glasgow, however - a day before his birthday, tragically, as well)

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O2 here we are

Have a great time! Cheer for yourself and for all Genesis fans who wish that they were there!

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Having played the Scottish Rite auditorium several times, it would definitely be amenable to the Musical Box. It's quite a large stage and as you point out, many A-list international acts have played there. It's a hike for me though being in Bucks County! Fingers crossed.....

Now having floated the possibility, I now feel bad for doing so. I'll explain.

The Scottish Rite Auditorium has a season, i.e., they don't hold concerts year-round. It temporarily slipped my mind when I suggested it earlier. They don't have concerts during June, July, and August. Their concert season runs from September to May. So, we're going to end up with the Sunday/Monday 12th/13th pairing at the Keswick (or shows after their Tarrytown show on the 19th) or they will play somewhere else.

I was thinking other places in Philly that could host them. The relatively new venue, The Fillmore, could definitely work too. Yes played their two "50th Anniversary" shows there (and they had their 50th Anniversary celebration before the concert in a nice room upstairs). It's about the same size audience-wise as the Keswick and Scottish Rite.

I suppose they could also play shows at the Keswick before or after their two shows in Quebec City in September (I wonder why those two shows are all alone for now). I just don't think that they would want a six-day break in mid-June; that's a lot of daily fixed costs accumulating without money coming in.

Well, I hope we find out soon.

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A nice new shirt has just appeared in the official store:

A small thing, but those in Brooklyn can now pretend that they did actually get a show on this tour! (I wonder why that wasn't corrected.)

I like this shirt - yes, it makes their finality quite visible, but everyone gets a good last mention.

(...and, unlike in the credits of "The Last Domino?" DVD, Daryl's name is spelled correctly. )

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Thanks. It would be really weird for them to skip the Philly area since it's probably their biggest market tin the US. Maybe another venue? I know they did the Tower once many years ago (as did Genesis on the Foxtrot, SEBTP and ATOTT tours), though that one is a beast to fill. We'll see, I suppose....

I also don’t think they would ever skip the Philly area. Like MoonlitKnight said, they did say they would be back for certain on this tour.

So, if they are fixed on doing the Keswick, it will almost certainly be that somewhat unusual pairing that I mentioned above.

I agree that The Tower would be too big to fill. However, there is another option: they could play just across the Delaware River at the Scottish Rite Auditorium in Collingswood, NJ. Steve Hackett regularly plays there when he’s not playing the Keswick (in fact, that is my next concert on April 8th).

The stage seems to be a little bit smaller, but Steve has quite a light show himself and he makes it work, so maybe TMB can do it too? 🤷‍♂️

Still, they seem to love the Keswick. I still think they’ll end up playing there.

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Ok, this is great but I've seen the Musical Box perform TLLDOB three times so I'm thinking is it really worth seeing it again? The show historically cannot change or have any novelties added so I ask myself this question considering the covid hassles and risks that make me PASS (especially since in my case it requires travel).

I'll save it to see the so called "extravaganza" next time if there is one. Now that for me would be - a novelty.

Well, if you are happy with the shows that you have already seen, then you’re right - there’s no reason to go this time.

I have made a few posts about this tour because, as I mentioned a couple of posts ago, it seems like this is their retirement tour for their doing the Lamb in full for a full tour. So, if anyone were on the fence, this would be the time to see them if you were a big fan of the Lamb. That’s why I’ve been more active on the topic recently anyway…

Further info on prospective Keswick dates…

The Keswick already has shows scheduled on the 11th and 14th of June - so that June 10-16 gap between the Illinois and NYC shows is now trickier to navigate. This might be why the Keswick shows were not announced up front.

A set of shows on the 13th and 14th would have been perfect, but the latter date is now unavailable. So, what seems likely to happen is a somewhat awkward 12th/13th pairing (awkward because it’s a Sunday/Monday pairing). They could also try to schedule the shows after the 19th (which is the finale of this leg of the tour in Tarrytown, NY). So, for those wishing to see this tour at the Keswick, those seem to be the most likely windows.

I guess we’ll find out for sure later this week or next week.