Posts by DavetotheB

Quote from DecomposingMan

In Steve's version of the song, he follows the line "forever to be joined as one" by singing "one flesh." I always thought that was something he added to the song (along with an acoustic guitar intro and various brief instrumental bits). However, I just noticed last night (some 40 years after first hearing the song) that Peter seems to sing the same thing in the original version! Just not very loudly. Anyone else ever notice this? Am I hearing things?

(For the record, I have an early CD copy of the album, predating the Definitive Edition Remaster. Maybe the line is more audible on later reissues?)

I thought Peter also sang the line on the 1972 "Belgium TV" video. Could be wrong-haven't watched that one in years. Regardless, I always sing that line whenever I play the song

Quote from slowdancer

when I bought the album back in the day, I thought I had a copy of a mispressing. I told my cd-seller and he said, the pressing was okay and that there was a hidden track on the album. It was the first time, I heard, that something like hidden tracks existed.

Yes, The Nirvana hidden track was called "Endless Nameless" and it wasn't on every pressing of the CD (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nevermind#Track_listing). I remember tooling around town with a friend listening to the CD and when it ended there was silence for several minutes before we realized the CD hadn't reset to track one. We looked at the time display and realized it was still going so we sat and waited until the hidden track played, which was, as we said forgettable. I checked my copy of Nevermind when I got home and it did not have the hidden track.

Can totally echo what was said above. I felt they played everything they had to play and a little bit more. The little bit more being Ripples and probably Duke's Travels/End. Felt Hold on My Heart was a little out of place, but also don't really like this song, so it's more probably more bias than anything. Los Endos should have been the closing number, but that would leave a large group of fans bewildered-particularly those who were there to hear the numbers that followed...

Theres one on Green Day's Dookie as well. Not a long pause between it and the last track, maybe a minute or so. Kind of a crappy song musically, but humorous none the less. If I remember the Nirvana track had a 10+ minute pause.

Quote from StillCan'tDance

I've always found it odd that the medley for which Genesis appear to have got the most criticism from a section of the fanbase is the Turn It On Again medley that they started performing during the Mama tour...

What the good Dr. says makes a lot of sense. For me the TIOA medley was a waste of precious concert time that could have been used for playing something from their own catalog or playing the full song of something they "medley-ized." As a fan I prefer the 1970-1980 era but find very little fault with the band's output after that. The TIOA medley, however, was a low point for the band IMO.

Quote from Dr. John

Just picking up on a couple of previous points.

Admittedly the jam section of IKWIL only contains snippets of other songs, which doesn't quite work for my definition of a medley (at least give me a full verse or chorus or major instrumental section). That said, I do find the snippets of the old songs interesting - DWTML (around 5:02), Stagnation (around 5:41), Visions of Angels (around 5:48), Blood on the Rooftops(around 6:29) on the Seconds Out version. The inclusion of the DLMBM is definitely there around 7:19. I'm sure there are other bits in the jam that I haven't yet connected to their origins. The 2007 tour version reprised the BotR bit and then the Stagnation bit when the jam kicks in after the tambourine routine. I don't particularly like the WCD version with snippets of Follow You, Follow Me, etc.

With regards to resurrecting Supper's Ready in 2007, given that they lowered the keys of various songs for the 2007 tour and Phil seemed to handle them, then they could have done the same for at least a portion of Supper's Ready. If Phil could sing a lower version of Mama, which is a grueling workout for his higher range, then the end of Supper's Ready should also have been possible a few steps down.

Great info! Will be listening again and paying attention to the time display. 😁

I agree that Supper's Ready, or at least a snippet could have worked in a lower key. All the other songs worked. My understanding though is that Supper's Ready was off the table from the get go. I kind of remember a Q&A or info piece coming put after the tour was announced saying such. Perhaps someone could confirm or deny...

Mama is one that would have been on this list for me. That is until I saw it live on the Turn It On Again tour. The song was so dark and heavy and loud. I remember the background of the stage being a blood red. Just a powerful moment. Up until that point, it was just an "eh" song for me. Not any more. It clicked for me that night.

I picked the middle one but I'd say I'm probably somewhere between that and liking it. Agreed that the TSL version is much better than the studio. I also agree with some of the sentiment on the Lamb. It's always been this outlier album for me-very different from the previous 4 and obviously different from what followed. The music is amazing (granted a couple clunkers in there) but I always felt like there was this story (that I don't really like or understand) hanging over the music causing me to feel like I was missing something and not getting the full experience.

Quote from StillCan'tDance

Did they perform the TIOA medly on the WCD tour? I thought they just performed TIOA as a standalone song in 1992.

I really don't think that by 2007 Phil could have coped with Supper's Ready (although he does sing the line "And it's hey babe" on the audio version of Not Dead Yet and it sounds lovely!).

My memory says they played the medley. Everything I've looked up says they did not. I know what my memory is like so I'd say it is a safe bet they did not do the medley.

The story I heard was that the intro was played for part of the SEBTP tour, but Tony had a major bungle one night and they removed the intro portion of the song after that. If anyone has some additional info, would love to hear it.

I like this one better than Misunderstanding, but think it's the weakest song on the album. That being said, I typically don't skip it when spinning W&W. Almost seems out of place on the album. Perhaps would have benefited from being on a different album, but I have no idea which one.

Quote from mdepps

So far no one has responded to this attack on this most sacred of cows.

My disappointment stems not from a love of trolling but from the hope that someone might respond by naming what they consider to be a brilliant Lamb track and challenging me to reassess.

The album is consistently ranked highly by the Genesis cognoscenti and I'd really like to know why.

Floyd fans wouldn't elevate a workshop piece like Ummagumma above Dark Side or The Wall so I'd like to know what's different.

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I responded by reporting it directly to an Admin. Supper's Ready. Really. I thought it was implied that criticism of SR was off the table when I started the thread.

Quote from Backdrifter

Really?! My word.

Why?

Haha! I say that in the spirit of this thread. OFTV is one of "those" songs that I feel is revered by fans, esp those of the '70-'77 era. Personally, I love it, but I can see how admitting one does not like the song could birth some sort of backlash that one doesn't want to deal with, so you just don't admit you think it's a clunker.

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Here’s another great medley. ‘I know what I like’, from ‘Seconds Out’ with that great segue into Stagnation. Enjoy!

There's also a bit from Dancing with the Moonlit Knight and Blood on the Rooftops (although I haven't quite found that one yet) in there as well.

Was so surprised and delighted the 1st time I heard this. Also nice to know this bit stayed with IKWIL for years to come.

Quote from StillCan'tDance

I considered that, too. Whilst the shows on the North American leg of the tour saw some fine performances of the end section of Supper's Ready, by the time the band reached Australia, there were clearly some vocal problems which resulted in the song being replaced with Afterglow.

Phil has always said he enjoys singing Supper's Ready, though, and has no issue with fans considering it to be the best thing Genesis ever did.

On the WCD tour, Phil caught a cold which resulted in a concert in Miami being cancelled. Subsequent to that, he lost a lot of his mid-range and Mama had to be dropped from the set. By the time the tour reached England, his vocals didn't seem as powerful as they used to be, although he still gave it his all on stage and some of the melodies on stuff like No Son Of Mine and Home By The Sea were sublime. After the stadium tour, Genesis did an "encore" tour of smaller venues throughout Britain. I caught the band at Earls Court and Phil's vocals were still in good shape.

That's something I never considered: The difference in vocals necessary between a stadium and a more intimate venue. I caught two WCD shows in Philly on back to back nights. After a little research (and The Movement live database), I found that they did not perform the TIOA medley on the first night with a report from an attendee that Phil sounded "off." I remember the 2nd show being the better of the two.

From what I remember Supper's Ready was off the table from the get go on the 2007 tour. Never heard the reason. I kind of remember reading something from management saying, "No Supper's Ready, so don't even ask."

Quote from StillCan'tDance

Well, you know that when they were looking at what old material to play on the We Can't Dance tour, Phil suggested they perform Supper's Ready but was voted down.

I didn't and that's interesting. My question would have been wether Phil's voice could have handled Supper's Ready. Correct if wrong, but didn't he have some issues with it on the IT tour and it was removed from the medley? I know Phil had issues with his vocals on the WCD tour as the encore of one of the shows I saw was cut short.

Quote from Dr. John

One for the Vine is a song that many seem to view as one of Tony's better compositions. I just can't get into it. The lyric/story for me is kind of obvious and does nothing for me. Musically it just seems to wander aimless, particularly the melody of the verses. There are a couple of bits I like, particularly the outro. But a lot the rest of it feels stitched together rather than flowing organically.

This is actually a perfect example. A song that we could probably say an overwhelming majority of the fan base loves. If I shared your opinion on OFTV, which I don't, I'd probably be afraid to admit it.

Quote from slowdancer

I hate Many To Many. Really. I can`t stand it. I always skip it, when I listen to And Then There Were Three.

And also Say It`s Alright, Joe.

These really suck.

Honest question: How do you really feel about these two songs?

Say It's Alright Joe is another one that gets a fair amount of love that I could have added to my list.

Quote from Fabrizio

After you dumped on MadManMoon????!!!!!! How dare you!? Seriously though, I don't think anyone can be convinced to like or dislike a song.

Back in the days, when even my love ballads had to be in 7/8, I would admit that had trouble saying out loud that I actually liked FYFM.

I'm starting to think I may have desecrated a sacred cow here, haha. Guess I'll have to buy the beer to remain in good graces

Maybe there's another post of "Songs that you're afraid to admit you like" I have a few of those as well

Quote from Paperkate

So many of the songs mentioned here are ones I love

There are none that I truly dislike, but some I like less than others. My big one is In the Cage. It's a fine song, but I don't see what the huge fuss is about.

ITC is an interesting one. Not the best piece off the Lamb and probably not on par with similar songs from previous albums like Dancing with the Moonlit Knight, Watcher, Hogweed and such. I do think ITC benefited from being a part of the live set for so long. I also have a soft place in my heart for ITC as it was my intro to "old" Genesis on Three Sides Live.