And BTW, I'm not trying to convince anyone here. Just friendly discussion and hopefully we can all still grab a beer afterwards.
Posts by DavetotheB
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Great replies!
To address a few of the others...
Get em Out By Friday-Not a fan of this one. Shame they didn't replace this with Stagnation on the Foxtrot tour
DOAV-I mentioned this in another post, but the context of the opening to that song is really one of Genesis' most powerful moments as a band. But it's really two songs. I was so enamored by the intro that it took me a while that the rest of the song didn't really measure up to it.
HBTS-I find the live versions of this song (both parts) work really well. The album version pales in comparison. And the lyrics really do need the intro Phil gives it live.
MOOT-Another one I guess I don't get. I remember having this conversation with a friend of mine ages ago. He was a lover of MOOT and I'm like, dude, Duke's Travels/Duke's End?
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Mad Man Moon though... what the hell is wrong with you??
Ha! This is how I feel though seeing all the love this song gets. WTH is wrong with me? Why don't I get this song? It isn't for lack of trying, I've spun this tune about a half dozen times in the last month and I'm still not seeing it. I'm hoping someday this one will just click.
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After having been around this forum and others, having been a fan for 35 +years and having numerous conversations with Genesis fans, I'm coming clean...There a handful of songs out there that I feel like the vast majority of Genesis fans adore, but I, quite honestly, don't like those songs. So here's my list. Feel free to knock me in any way you wish. I'm free of this burden
Mad Man Moon-Maybe I just don't get it, but I think this song is a downer. Other than that section in the middle where the tempo picks up, this song is largely forgettable for me.
Chamber of 32 Doors-I actually used to think this was a pretty good song, but comparing it with the rest of the music on the Lamb, not that great of a song.
Open Door-Always one of those songs that folks think should have replaced Please Don't Ask or Alone Tonight on Duke. Honestly, I think it's slightly better than PDA and a push with Alone Tonight and those are the weakest tracks on Duke IMO
Many Too Many-Seems to be loved by a lot of folks, just never did anything for me.
Does anyone else feel this way about any Genesis songs? Use this thread as an "airing of the grievances" and we'll get through this together.
I also reserve the right to change my opinion on any of these songs at any point in the future...
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Although not a medley, here’s another ‘what could have been’ moment in the band’s history. In much the same way as they planned to do with the Duke Suite, they originally planned to release Moonlit/Cinema/Aisle as a single side-long track. Once again, fears of a ‘Supper’s Ready’ comparison stopped them and the track was split to effectively book-end the album. Here’s a fan edit of what this astonishing track might have sounded like. You’ll have to practise the suspension of disbelief with the lyrics, though they could arguably make sense viewed through your T.S.Eliot spectacles. 😀 Enjoy!
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Fascinating! I never knew this. Thanks for the info. It's interesting to wonder what Supper's Ready would have looked like had they written the Moonlit/Cinema suite first.
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Did they ever do a live medley during the PG era?
I don't think they did. The medley seems to have started on the Trick tour with some selections from the Lamb (although they may have been full songs with a bridge) and IT/Watcher according to The Movement database.
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Here's the 27 min 'Duke Suite' as originally intended for release as side 1 of Duke. Instead they tore down the temple and sold off the individual bricks.
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Always wondered why they didn't put this on the album like this. From my understanding they did perform the suite live in this order. I don't considered full songs strung together medleys at least in the Genesis definition.
I have mixed feelings on the Genesis medleys. The ITC medley on TSL (the one with only 3 live sides) was my intro to "old" Genesis. Absolutely love that one. Such a joy discovering the album originals in my Genesis journey. The other side of that coin was the Old Medley on the Way We Walk. This one felt forced as if they knew they had to tip their hats to that era. Loved the ITC medley on Live Over Europe even though I thought the transition to Dukes Travels was a little rough.
My question in all this is, "What would the fans rather have seen live?" Some bits and pieces of songs over 15-20 minutes or 1-2 full songs? Like instead of the 15-20 min old medley, do all of Cinema Show or Firth or whatever.
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Steve played with them as well. Love what these guys do. Saw them for the first time in 2004 and it was like being in a time machine. I was barely born when Genesis toured for SEBTP so my knowledge was limited to still photos and really crappy VHS bootlegs. TMB brought it all to life for me. I've seen them countless times and it's always a great show. Sitting on the edge of my seat waiting for this new tour.
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So I chose "dislike" but I certainly wouldn't say I hate the song. For me probably in the bottom 3 songs on Duke and pretty easily the weakest of the live tracks on TSL. That being said, I can't really put my finger on why. The song just feels like something I have to go through if I'm giving the whole album a listen, not necessarily something I enjoy like a lot of the other tracks.
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Excellent point actually. I think the band shared the same trepidation fans had and it must have been quite the relief when Volcano emerged from the first jam sessions. Sort of: 'OK, we still have it'. Very strong opener.
"Relief" is a pretty good word to describe it. Contextually, I think Down and Out is a similar song with Steve's departure. Although the band was seemingly more established with regards to the fans at that point. It conveys a similar power as well. And other than the little keyboard bit at the beginning has the same guitar riff-drums-pounding bass similar to DOAV.
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I'll go with Dance on a Volcano not because it's the strongest song that Genesis used to open an album with. Heck it's not even the strongest song on that album. But...given the context of this song and the "unknown" of what the first album without Peter would sound like, the first few notes of DOAV might be (for me at least), one of the most powerful moments that Genesis had. I imagine owning and loving the 5 previous albums and wondering if everything was going to be ok when the lead singer leaves and then buying Trick, coming home and putting the needle down...
