I get that. But here's the thing. The So album & Sledgehammer in particular was my PG 'moment' just as Face Value & ITAT was my PC 'moment'. Hence I have never tired of any of those songs. It may happen; I have become bored to tears with certain albums by other artists I used to love. But at the moment I don't think so.
I personally have to take some distance from songs or albums I over heard, to be able to enjoy them again but if doesn't bore you, more power to you. I wish I could listen to them relentlessly the way I used to.
I always regarded ATOTT as the more proper sequel musically to SEBTP than "The Lamb", which was a wholly unique piece of music in their catalogue.
If you like the Gabriel era most (and there's nothing wrong with that - how could there be? Without that era, there are no eras after), you should give ATOTT and W&W a listen. You would at least like the music. I always regarded ATOTT as the more proper sequel musically to SEBTP than "The Lamb", which was a wholly unique piece of music in their catalogue.
True, the Lamb is clearly one off and with Trick they certainly returned to a more familiar path, however, if you are Peter's fan the edge and quirkiness he brought to the table is sorely missed, particularly on W&W which I personally believe is a fine album but a bit 'bland'. And the voice. Phil does a lovely job on those albums but he is far from being the singer he was to become and imo didn't still have the 'gravitas' in his voice Peter had.
It all comes down to whether or not you like Moraz' playing and how the band arranged the songs while he was part of the group. If you keep trying, and it's not pleasing you, then it just isn't to your taste. However, if you like CTTE, TFTO, and/or GFTO, though, you ought to find something to like on Relayer - they aren't so radically different in composition...
You like Soon, but not "To Be Over"? That's a lovely piece of music.
You are right, I forgot about To be over, that is quite nice. I don't have any problem with Moraz' playing, I really think it's the material. It has happened before with some random Yes' songs but not with almost an entire album which is highly revered by the band themselves. Oh well....
Once a year I give Relayer a chance. I've been doing it for years now and still it eludes me. I know the band absolutely love it, they have said so on several occasions and that's probably why I keep try to see what is it I am missing but Soon aside, I can't seem to get into it. Any fan?
While the order might vary regarding the others, the first three, as for as I am concerned have always been and still are:
Well, it's the Caribbean, so go figure;-)
Big Big Train
Looking sharp in that suit, your Holiness.
That's a shame you're so down on Up - I couldn't resist that - but I do get that it's quite a divisive album and not high up on most fans' lists. But I found it slowly gave up its rewards with a bit of time; it certainly wasn't an instantly good listen but I don't find it thin at all, with the exception of Barry Williams.
By the time UP was released, it had been a long time waiting and we are talking about an artist who could do no wrong with me. As far as I am concerned, Peter pretty much walked on water artistically. So, as you can imagine, I was open, receptive and I really wanted to like UP. I didn't and it wasn't easy for me to accept. I gave it several listens throughout the years and my initial opinion hasn't changed much unfortunately.
There are three different aspects which I find unconvincing:
Production: Very 'dry' imo. Most of the songs were years old and had been worked on, over and over, as customary with Peter in different versions.
It is no wonder some of them hardly sounded fresh and really 'overcooked'. Peter had always been an innovator and suddenly he was releasing an album with songs he had been sitting on for over a decade. It left me baffled.
Tracks: Again, I think he said himself he had over a 100 songs to choose from, I think he could have probably avoided releasing re-arranged stuff like I Grieve and Sky blue. Incidentally, imo, amongst the best on the album.
Material: The first two albums aside, Peter has always been a very consistently, strong writer. Even his fillers have some quality to them but here for my money, too many songs don't cut it or are merely OK. There's really nothing great for me.
As I said I like Sky Blue and I Grieve, even though regarding the latter, I could live without that poppy coda. Darkness, sounds like three bits, not all them equally good, patched together and not necessarily well.
Growing up and The BW show are imo not something Peter will be remembered by.
I find My head sounds like that and More than this quite forgettable.
Signal to the noise has an incredible arrangement but for my taste not enough 'meat' to it. It doesn't have the melodic quality of say, San Jacinto.
The arrangement is really 90% of the song and The Drop is pleasant, no more than that.
I think the consensus on 1 and 2 is of a new solo artist finding his way. He really hit his stride on 3 and 4, but had to make his way through the inconsistent 1 and 2 to get there. You could probably get a decent composite album out of the best bits of 1 and 2. Humdrum is the standout track for me on 1, while I find 2 generally quite a bit more interesting as a whole - DIY, Mother Of Violence, White Shadow, Indigo and Exposure are all strong tracks for me.
So has never really done it for me. I find that Red Rain, repetition and all, and Milgram's are the only ones that really hit home. I also agree with the earlier comment that while Sledgehammer is a good song, it became over-familiar through the years to the point it became dull. I'm not too keen on Us either, and thought that with Up he had gone back to some of the things that appealed to me in his older work, but in an up-to-date way.
And now, here we are, nearly 16 years later.... I know he's a slow and meticulous worker, but as a fan I can't help feeling frustrated at the long drawn-out lack of new material. There have been mentions of things on the horizon over the years - references to new material being stockpiled, in one interview he said "30 new songs", at one point there was even a title - I/O. Then I heard talk of a stripped-down album and tour, a trio of him on vocals and piano, Danny Thompson on bass, Jed Lynch on drums, the idea being to produce simpler, more sparse music. I actually got excited about that! But have learned my lesson.
The Scratch My Back album and tour, and the So retrospective stuff, were very frustrating. It made me wonder if he'd dried up and had to fall back on re-treading old ground, and we'd never see a new album of original material again. But there have been new songs, some good ones too. That at least is encouraging. I saw him give a talk in London in 2016, and when asked when a new album might be out, he said "I'm going to play it safe and say September. But I'm not going to commit to which year."
Lots I agree with, some I don't. I am a huge PG fan but I truly don't get the appeal of 1&2, little of those albums seemed to have remained after these decades and I would agree with you that they very much sound like an artist scrambling, trying to sort out things for himself, after probably have been stifled in a band dynamic. I agree the first two albums were essential for him to find out what he really wanted to be and that happened with 3&4. SO, again is imo a good album but, I have a general dislike for the music made during those years, the spirit and the sound and that applies to many artists. It seems virtually everybody, no matter their resume released their more commercial albums around that time. Also, I seem to remember Peter himself, after some financial problems was pressed to be more...'accesible'. Still, I think he did so tastefully. US is imo a masterpiece and an album I regularly go back to, finding it always very fresh. UP, well UP is simply thin and overcooked imo. It was rumored he had over a 100 songs to chose from when he released, it is bizarre the material is so weak imho, compared to his former releases. What was released afterwards hints imo at a end of the road kind of sign. Covers albums, orchestral albums are common symptoms, I hope we are not getting a Christmas album or an American songbook album with classics by Gershwin or Porter. I personally stopped waiting for new releases long ago. He is probably one of the artists I admire the most but I doubt he still has something relevant to say, let alone the desire to do it.
There's not much on there that I like
I am with you on this one, apart from the obvious Solsbury Hill and then Humdrum and Here comes the flood there's not much there which imo stands out or stands the test of time. Considering how he left the band, being basically considered as the main man and the anticipation surrounding its release, personally I believe the album was a bit of a let down. Things improved only slightly with PGII.
Red Rain is my second favourite track from So after Sledgehammer although I do understand the point about the repettion. It's meant to be hypnotic.
Sledgehammer is a classic but it's been so overplayed I can hardly enjoy it anymore. I prefer his songs when they make me work a bit for them. It took me years for instance to appreciate stuff like Us, the title track , or Lay your hands on me or the family and fishing net but it was definitely worth it. I can go back to these songs, after decades and they still sound fresh to me,
I think it's a major part of the point of that song; the oniric, hypnotic effect prompted by the repetition of Red Rain. It's OK not to like it but personally, I think it's the song that aged the best and again he sings it in an incredible way, although he was in top form vocally, throughout that whole record. Other songs are nice but proved to be a bit too lightweight for my money.
Big fan, my second favorite prog band. My favorite albums are Fragile, Close to the Edge and Going for the one and I appreciate some songs of the new Rabin course. When they managed to keep the noodling in check and focus on the songs, they were really something.
Los endos was imo always better live and not only for the 2 drummers. I have a soft spot for the 1980 Ripples live version. I had always thought it was not a live song but the way Phil delivered it during the Duke tour was very special and proved again, how much he had grown as a singer.
I was listening to SO the other day and I must say, in time it has decreased considerably in my list. I remember it had a huge impact on me, when it was released. It was Peter returning to a more traditional song structure but it hasn't aged well with me, although I still love Red Rain and I believe it is one of his best vocal performances, the other songs suffer of that infamous mid 80s flaws that spoiled a lot of music for me back then.
I'll just focus on Trick, my favorite. Same songs, I would have loved at least one more song but It's Yourself is imo very weak particularly when compared with the rest of the album.
I'll start with Volcano, great opener the only other feasible candidate would be Squonk but if it ain't broken....
Next Ripples, followed R,A&B. Closing Side one with Entangled.
Side two begins with Squonk and in case there are no sides, Entangled's mellotron coda flows beautifully into the first chords of Squonk.
Then MMM, followed by the title track and closing with the only possible, sublime option: Los Endos.
I feel Melt is still something else. I like Security but the one album that has been constantly growing on me throughout the years is doubtlessly US.
Lurkers....Intruders....No restriction orders in place?