Ah well you see I'm a sand-horse whisperer.
In fact I have a general knack with animals of particulate mineral composition.
I am afraid to ask you to elaborate 
Posts by Fabrizio
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Pretty much all of Trespass is fey and insubstantial.
I actually disagree with that. I can give you fey but I don't find it insubstantial personally. They were terribly green, lacked direction, musicianship wasn't quite there, no good producer telling them when to play or edit either The sound is outdated and some lyrics are dodgy but that said: substance is pretty much there Definitely the core of the songs: chords, harmony and melody was there and you can tell there a lot of songwriting talent in the band.
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Hahaha! Actually, no. I'm happy with my sand-horse.
Well, he hasn't kicked you yet apparently. Mine has
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"A bit harsh imo. I would agree, as Tony I believe has said many times that the whole story , the concept leaves a lit to be desired but some individual lyrics are imo just brilliant..."
I can see how my intended meaning may have been misunderstood.
When I wrote "There is nothing on The Lamb that compares lyrically or stylistically..." I meant it in terms of being dissimilar in lyrical content and style.
I didn't mean it to suggest one was inferior to the other.
Got it...Finally. Thanks.
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Give me three tracks please. I got Fly and the one straight after (4 mins total). I'll give you Cage and if you insist Back in NYC. Hairless Heart. Then what?
For my money, off the top of my head: The title track, Windshield, Cage, NYC, Hairless heart, carpet crawlers, Anyway, Lamia, colony of slippermen and then I would have to review the track listing but those stand out.
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Don't tell me you've been searching for a horse not made of sand?!
Of course. Aren't you? :-))
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There is nothing on The Lamb that compares lyrically or stylistically to Stagnation, The Musical Box, Fountain of Salmacis, Cinema Show, Can-Utility, Blood On The Rooftops..
A bit harsh imo. I would agree, as Tony I believe has said many times that the whole story , the concept leaves a lit to be desired but some individual lyrics are imo just brilliant. In the cage, Back in NYC, The Lamia. Fly on a windshield, The Chamber of 32 Doors to name a few but there are others.
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Don't tell me you've been searching for a horse not made of sand?!
Well for one thing, I disagree that it's the "most sacred of cows". I've always known it to be a quite divisive album and you are far from alone in disliking it. I think that, ironically in a sense, you've elevated it beyond the point most Lamb-admirers place it.
For me it indeed is my favourite Genesis album, and one of my top 10 albums ever by anyone. But I'm going to disappoint you - I feel no particular need to "challenge" you on your dislike of it! What a peculiar idea.
I agree completely and wholeheartedly with the post. The Lamb has always been and still is a polarizing album, far from being a sacred cow it has attracted more than its fair share of criticism throughout the years and apparently still does. It is my third favorite Genesis album but personally, throughout the years, I lost any sort of appetite for defending him, I am quite OK if people don't like it. I came across some fans who actually 'got it' and still dislike it, they were though I must say, the minority. Most of them quite simply didn't get it. I would say this about the album though: flawed as it is, but any Genesis album is,if you extract the best 8 to 10 songs, imo, you have the best Genesis album ever. As a double album, it has its weaknesses but I would argue any double album does. The sheer amount of good music on it is astonishing.
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i'm glad to see that the soundtrack albums -birdy, passion, ovo and long walk home- are included in the poll.
I personally like those a lot but one of the many reasons I like PG is his voice, it is also one of the elements that got me hooked up on Genesis in the beginning, so as good the music might be on those albums, for me something is missing.
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A lot of Genesis I just don't like. Yep you read it right.
Well, if we are going there, as of Abacab it is easier for me to make a list of the songs I don't like which is the overwhelming majority. On WCD for instance I really like 3 and I am OK with another one, out of 12 I believe. Same with Abacab, 3 top 4, and Shapes 4 to 5. Quite a lot, considering we are talking about my favorite band. In the spirit of the thread though, I try to focus on the one I am supposed to be liking but I actually don't. YOSW is one of those, for instance.
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The Knife: I know it's supposed to be the highlight of the album, an album I love btw. but it is the classical song that grabs for 20 seconds, the first time and then bores me forever.
It: a poor and anti-climatic closer of an epic album. After all the build-up I would have wished something better. I really find it subpar and I cannot imagine it on any of their previous albums. One of those songs that only makes the final cut on a double album. -
The lady lies. I know it's Tony's and it is supposed to be one of the proggish songs on the album but it is imo one of the weakest tunes Tony has come up with and the lyrics…..Oh god, the lyrics…..
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I'm starting to think I may have desecrated a sacred cow here, haha. Guess I'll have to buy the beer to remain in good graces
Maybe there's another post of "Songs that you're afraid to admit you like" I have a few of those as well
Not a problem really, I am a bit odd about those things, I hapen to love MMM but I wouldn't probably say
I'm starting to think I may have desecrated a sacred cow here, haha. Guess I'll have to buy the beer to remain in good graces
Maybe there's another post of "Songs that you're afraid to admit you like" I have a few of those as well
It's quite OK, there shouldn't be any holy cows , as far as I am concerned but yes, definitely, beer is on you
Personally, I love MMM although I wouldn't necessarily say it's the best song on the album. Still, I think it's great, the piano intro is beautiful and poignant, verse and chorus extremely solid and melodic although not in trite way, the instrumental bridge is brilliant, and the lyrics very much resonate with me. It's quintessentially Tony and Tony imo has always been the soul and backbone of Genesis.There are then, songs I love, although I would be the first to acknowledge they are quite flawed, case in point BOEF. They really overdid it there and the song s far too busy but some bits are again sheer brilliance and that makes me love it.
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And BTW, I'm not trying to convince anyone here. Just friendly discussion and hopefully we can all still grab a beer afterwards.
And BTW, I'm not trying to convince anyone here. Just friendly discussion and hopefully we can all still grab a beer afterwards.
After you dumped on MadManMoon????!!!!!! How dare you!?
Seriously though, I don't think anyone can be convinced to like or dislike a song.Back in the days, when even my love ballads had to be in 7/8, I would admit that had trouble saying out loud that I actually liked FYFM.
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I've been called much worse!.....
It was sheer envy of course
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Godley & Creme - Birds of Prey
You dog!!
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The instrumental coda to Mouse's is the only bit I like of that song. I might consider isolating just that bit and binning the rest! Cringeworthy as Mouse's mainly is, I think Scenes From A Night's Dream wins the prize for toe-curling teeth-hurting sugary tweeness of all Genesis songs. In fact it'd be my vote for Worst Genesis Song.
Anyway, about Yes (etc etc).
Agreed and all three accounts:
The coda to Mouse is probably the best bit of the song.
Scenes from a Night's Dream is musically and lyrically appalling.
So, Yes......
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Hackett said that about Willow Farm? I'm no great fan of WF but all the same can't see that comparison at all. Whatever PG's shortcomings were as a lyricist I'll take them over Banks with his burning ropes, sandless horses' kicks and sugary tales of mice and cats. He often sounded to me like one of those pompous teenagers who thinks he's writing great poetry. Adrian Mole, basically
As for All in a mouses night, the lyrics are among the bands worse IMO. The music is actually pretty good though.
I feel sorry for Phil, having to sing that, every time I hear it. I am quite sure Peter would have refused to do it and even Phil, as of Duke. That said and having established that Mouse really sucks, I like Tony's lyrics; it is true that he sometimes went overboard but he wrote wonderful stuff and he is my second favorite lyricist in Genesis.
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Hackett said that about Willow Farm? I'm no great fan of WF but all the same can't see that comparison at all. Whatever PG's shortcomings were as a lyricist I'll take them over Banks with his burning ropes, sandless horses' kicks and sugary tales of mice and cats. He often sounded to me like one of those pompous teenagers who thinks he's writing great poetry. Adrian Mole, basically.
Ouch!
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I used to buy records based on the album covers. I agree with you that sometimes they were great finds. Arabs in Aspic are from Norway. I have all their albums and they rate from very good to outstanding.
That's how I discovered John Martyn back in the days, I liked the Glorious Fool cover and later discovered Phil played on it. It sometimes work, not always obviously, it's a classical case of judging the book by the cover but I like and artist who puts a little effort into that.
