Posts by Schrottrocker

Interested but haven't watched any match so far. Maybe I'll make it to see some matches this week after all.

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Musicians: Tony Banks, Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford, Nir Z.

I never knew Phil was involved in this one. Are these messed up credits for all the tracks of the week intentional, like a running gag?

I always liked this song a lot, my only complaint would be it takes a little to get going. By any means, the second half is really strong, particularly when the drums switch to double-time. This is one of the rare moments on this album the drummer seems to be off the leash for once.

Now I'm waiting for Burning Rope with an Yngwie Malmsteen guitar solo...

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Spoken like a true progger.

By 'solo' do you mean the fast guitar part under "round, round, round"?

Thanks Yes, the part leading up to what comes after in the medleys, usually Cinema Show.

One of the best songs on the Lamb album and the only other long track besides Slippermen. I prefer the live versions to the studio version. I remember being a little disappointed the synth solo is in 4/4 as opposed to most of Tony's solos (Apocalypse in 9/8, Cinema Show in 7/8, Robbery Assault & Battery in 13/8, Down and Out in 5/4, Firth of Fifth in 13/16, 15/16 and 21/16, etc.). The later live versions have a nice solo of Daryl's. Overall I like In The Cage but I don't see it on the high level as The Cinema Show and other highlights in that league.

You really like the song, don't you? I'd be keen to get hold of these extra tracks.

It was fantastic. The first half a mixture of Steve's own classics - Ace of Wands as opener, wow! - and some amazing new stuff I wasn't familiar with yet. Also a stunning bass solo. The second half the entire Foxtrot, brilliant from first note to last. What an incredible band this is. And the encores, breathtaking everything.

Alas, even professionals of this high league can mess up badly, you wouldn't believe. When Steve introduced the band, he announced the saxophonist (what's his name?) has his birthday. The whole audience sings Happy Birthday together with the band, a roadie brings in a birthday cake with real candles. The birthday boy takes the cake, blows out the candles, thanks everybody. Then he looks around for someone to hold the cake - woops, within a split of a second, he dropped the precious cake! A sorry "awww" goes through the audience. Roger King, the keyboardist, walks towards the mess sticking on the floor, with a poker face he dips his fingers into the ruins of the cake and licks them off. James Bond couldn't have been cooler.

Mike has called Wind and Wuthering on several occasions the "most feminine" or "a female" album. In this forum as well as in its predecessor forums this has been discussed several times. Seems nobody has a clue what Mike actually means, at least I never got behind it. Mike never elaborates on this statement despite sticking to it. It would help if we knew what exactly he understands as feminine qualities.

Going to tomorrow in Freiburg. Anybody?

Maybe this song would have been rated lower had it been a regular album track. As a B-side it is a song that seems a little too good for a throwaway track and it shows some strengths that are missing on the album: real drums, a rock edge, angry lyrics. I guess I'm not the only one who feels IT as an album suffers from over-production and a slightly too synthetic sound, as well as a number of weaker songs, a little too much of boring lyrics, and a general lack of Genesis trademarks. In that context, Feeding The Fire (along with Do The Neurotic) hints at what might have been.

I really like your side 2.

So... they didn't strike by night?

There's at least one live recording with Phil explaining in advance that this song is about a man who goes to a party, takes a girl home, and the next day she claims he raped her which lands him in jail for 20 years.

With that in mind, the lyrics are quite clear: The story begins with the release of that man who just spent 20 years of his life in jail despite being unguilty. He never learned why that woman made such a claim, yet he hopes for a real life after jail. The story jumps back 20 years to the party he was at; then the story fast-forwards 20 years after his release: he is an outlaw, everybody believes him to be a rapist, freedom is more brutal than jail, his whole life is ruined because of that woman.

Why does it matter that actual rape is far more common? A false accusation of rape is a sure-fire way to ruin any man's life and it does happen, however it doesn't get coverage as a topic terribly often. I personally always had a fear of this, which might even be a contributing factor for my own shyness issues towards women. So yes, I am glad somebody covers this topic for once.

Also, "Inside and Out" is quite a clever song name with its various connotations. There's the sexual allusion, then there's the in and out of jail subtext, and finally it might refer to the musical structure.

Being a non-native English speaker, I didn't pay attention to the lyrics at first, I just loved that song for its music, particularly its lovely chorus. Realizing what the song deals with lyricwise, I had a real huge "Oh" moment. Lyrics and music contrast a lot, another feature that makes this song great.

Yep, that's the only weakness I see in this song. It should have gone back to the chorus after the instrumental section. Also, and I know I represent a minority with this, I am not too fond of the keyboard solo. It's mainly the sound of the synth that bothers me, it has some pitch effect that gets a little annoying during the fast runs. But maybe I'm nitpicky.

Not my favourite on the album but I like it. It is odd in a way only Tony would come up with.

And as so often times, those who really spread the hate will be spared by news coverage.

I never got too much into Gabriel's solo career but this song and video is connected with memories. It was on MTV at the same time with Genesis and I Can't Dance. I just loved this creative video, it was outstanding, there was nothing else like it. My dad would tell me then about Sledgehammer.

It might be worth mentioning that here in Germany there's a strong fraction of journalists who regard any criticism at whatever the state of Israel does as antisemitic no matter what. Plus, in context of the Nazi past of our country, calling somebody an antisemite or a racist is enough for most people to instinctively avoid that person without digging deeper for backgrounds. As a German, you just don't want to be associated with any Nazi. Questioning accusations will inevitably be a minefield you don't want to enter.

Just now discovered Morrisey-Mullen. Awesome stuff. One of their albums features Noel McCalla as lead singer. I'm going to get a couple albums on vinyl.

Always liked it, prefer the live version though