Posts by The_Genesis_Archive

This is the actual question from RS and Chester's reply.

Do you recall much from the reunion show with Peter Gabriel in 1982 at Milton Keynes Bowl?

[Laughs] That was fun. I guess they were never able to release it because Peter is pretty spontaneous and it drove the sound engineer crazy. They went over all the details in soundcheck and we rehearsed the day before. But they set up mics around the stage where he said he was going to be. Come the day of the show, Peter was wherever he was at the moment, which wasn’t where he said he’d be the day before. Unfortunately, they never had enough of his clear vocals to release it, or anything.

This might be a very diplomatic answer, Mike Rutherford has always claimed it wasn't recorded. Peter Gabriel's keyboard player "Larry Fast" recalls watching the video of the show on the 3rd or 4th October as he was rehearsing in Peter's band for the 1982 tour.

Still, that's what I believe you were paraphrasing or quoting from.

TGA

Quote from choccy

The mic he used was attached to speakers which pumped sound out to the crowed.

The stage mics were what recorded the sound professionally and didn't pick up Peters Vocals.

Big difference.

You make the assumption we have no knowledge about live sound. Genesis have a soundboard cassette of this show in their archive. That is taken from the mixing desk in the middle of field in the sound tower. The video was not filmed by a professional team.

The live PA mic that Peter/Phil mostly sang into would have been recorded, one can only think the stage mics you speak of were for a live ambient sound. This is sometimes doesn't work and can be abandoned during the mixing stage in post production.

There would have been either a DI or mic's at amps for the guitar/bass guitar. Tony's keyboards would be DI into a mixing desk and or sent straight to a multi channel recording desk, if one was used. This for the most part of being in a field (Milton Keynes Bowl), would have been in an outside truck. Such as The Manor Mobile etc.

I go back to my same point, if Peter can be heard singing into his vocal mic through the PA as is evidenced by audience recordings, then he would have been picked up by whatever recording equipment they were using.

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Quote from choccy

Chester said, the show was meant to be recorded and released, but Peter refused to stand by the stage microphones recording and thats why they never got any decent sound of this show.

So blame Peter ultimately

Except, if he can be heard on audience recordings coming from the FOH PA columns, then he is on mic somewhere.

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Quote from foxfeeder

From a copy of "Sounds" early (Jan/feb) 1980:

Seems an utterly pointless article, but maybe you had to be then!

Sounds did go a bit weird at times... NME of course went fully anti whatever had gone before that wasn't punk or new wave.

Here's a clue to the date range of the article, if Peter Gabriel is blowing out candles on a birthday cake it would have to be post 13th February 1980. So possibly the 23rd February 1980 edition!

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Quote from FirthOfFifth

TGA is so awesome, from your YouTube videos to all the work you put into preserving the history of our favorite band. I can’t thank you enough for all the great material you’ve helped assemble and rescue. You all are the best !!’

You would be amazed at the abuse we get, even from other well know Genesis fans. That said we all have a role to serve and we all do it differently. genesis-news.com (IT Fanclub), is one of the more professional websites, forums and well organised groups of fans we have encountered.

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Quote from Wayne

that was really interesting , I wish they would repress those three box sets once more as probably everyone does who doesn’t own them!.

It was interesting, The Evil Jam is our sister website. That day out at Fisher Lane Farm on the 12th June 2006 was great fun. Dale was lovely (we had met a few times before), Nick Davis was lovely (we had met once before). It was a great experience in the control room hearing those songs in surround sound.

They also had lots of 1992 /1998 stuff on DAT tapes (not pictured).

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Quote from Micklemus

Big shame, as I think the people who would be receptive to this material are not overly interested in whether the sound quality is like a contemporary 'in your room' recording. They're interested in these pieces as collectibles and time capsules, and would snap them up if the quality was only half-decent. I do however get the cost-benefit angle though, as the engineering and production costs would far outweigh the likely returns.

Look around on the internet and that includes Ebay, the amount of recordings being SOLD for MONEY would put me off. Then the amount of recordings (sound board cassettes), being given away freely.

Would in our opinion spook the most richest of record labels. That and the fact people have no respect these days, they'll copy or upload onto Youtube. As we found with videos from the Blue, Red, Green boxsets. Annoying when like most people, we brought ours with cold hard cash, that we had earned.

Maybe that's why such a project has stalled, who knows.

TGA

The cassettes that Geoff shows Bill Macormick (former official Genesis webmaster). Are not what live albums are made of. Genesis Live, Seconds Out and Three Sides Live along with all official live releases by the band. Come from Multitrack tape reels. These can be played in a professional studio and levels of instruments can be altered to sound right.

The cassettes Geoff has/had have all now been transferred onto Hard drives. These are in stereo and were only for the band to listen to the previous nights performance. Not for live release.

Multitrack recording facilities / Filming back in the 1970's was very very expensive. The band simply could not afford this luxury, and the record company would not always provide the money either.

The notion that Genesis is sitting on mountains of archive material is just pure fantasy. Yes there is stuff in the archives, but not mountains of it.

Any live box set or album or film, still requires a budget from the management / record company in order to start the remastering, preservation work and other stuff required to bring the live box set/album/film to market.

I hope this clarifies things,

TGA

Quote from Duke of Earl of Mar

Whaaat ? Really !?

I know it's probably not going to happen anytime soon, but since I know it exists, now I have hope about a potential release...

That we do doubt, but people saw cameramen there, road crew admit that they stood next to cameramen etc

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Quote from absinthe_boy

I have a suspicion that in a few years they may regret not at least filming it properly. When the dust has settled, and they're well and truly retired...they may regret not recording it, just like they regretted not filming The Lamb or the Six Of The Best gig.

Six Of The Best was filmed, by people that Peter Gabriel contracted to do it. Its not uber pro shot, but likely similar in quality to his recent youtube upload of the Shepton Mallet footage from 1982.

TGA

According to later interviews, the "duck" was a duck call used to trigger a sound on a Yamaha CS-80 synthesizer.

As for David H, we'd assume on Turn It On Again (I can see another face), could be another song entirely etc

TGA

Mike also used his Eric Clapton signature series fender.

There were Ampeg bass amps.

Nic Collins, used a gretsch kit, with roland triggers.

Etc

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We really despise people who drink lots of alcohol at gigs.

There was this one guy, sat in the row in front... on the 1st night last September, completely hammered. He was such a disturbance he thought he was funny. He made a complete C**t of himself.

The issue we had, was for me I struggle to concentrate at the best of times, and here's this selfish person, so drunk its unbelievable that he was allowed into the venue, disrupting folk.

On another night, people couldn't help but drink and drink, then three songs later is er sorry mate I need the toilet. Up/Down trying to let these selfish twunts out / in.

My tickets were expensive, as they were for other people too. We should not have to tolerate nor accept such behaviour as normal.

TGA

How strange, its always been the case for us in the UK, that having a passport is a required document for travel.

People never cease to surprise us.

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Steve "Puddin" Jones, has been a tour manager for Phil / Genesis and Mike & The Mechanics. So his promotion is nothing new.

But yes Anthony is there in event that Daryl has to leave to be with his ill wife.

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In this rare footage:

This was filmed by Atlantic Records Executive, Perry Cooper who was a friend to Phil and Genesis etc.

This is hidden footage, he is uploading without edits. From the private collection of Perry Cooper.

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Many years ago, one of us used to walk past a disused milk storage facility on the way to school. Some nights, I would dream that I spotted Genesis rehearsing there.

Sadly the dream used to end with them all catching me watching, then one of the members turning around and saying to me, its your fault the show/tour is cancelled. I assumed because I caught them rehearsing and that they spotted me.

Eventually, this dream wore itself out and it stopped happening. As we all know Genesis would reform and go on tour in 2007. Phew I was off the hook!

Dreams are strange things.

TGA

James May was mocking Hammond, Hammond has a Genesis (no relation) compressor.

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We were going to more shows, but there is no direct flights to Germany!

So its the last night in London for us.

Enjoy the last ever tour, by this magnificent band.

"Another chance Hello, another goodbye... and so many things we'll never see again"

TGA

@ Sredni, Cherry Red did indeed purchase the rights to FGTR a few years ago.

TGA