Posts by thewatcher

I think it's rather weak. Slight, insubstantial... twee. 10.

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I stick to the CD release - and what a nice line-up that is. I wonder how many lead guitars we will get. I am sure we won't be able to recognize Mike's part here ...

I was wondering if he'd be the bass player. Agree otherwise it's an extraordinary lineup.

I saw this photo on a wall in a school a couple of days ago, and wondered if the artist responsible for Steve's album cover had also seen it at some stage.

Edit: it was called "humpback whale and herring gulls feeding" or something.

It sounds like Innuendo by Queen, sped up to twice or three times the normal speed, leading to a cartoonish effect.

14. It's a very good song that does all the things Collins was good at very well. I feel like if Elton John wrote and recorded it, it would be elevated to 'timeless' status by the wider public.

Gabriel, Collins then a toss up between Rutherford and Wilson. I went with Rutherford because I like Dreaming While You Sleep and it's hardly fair to rank Wilson so highly when he only contributed to 3 songs or so. That said, I really like those songs!

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Wikipedia has an interesting story about 'It's a sin'.

That song was a cynical take on Neil Tennant's own past of being raised among Catholics. Apparently he had been victim of some church authorities who used the concept of sin to manipulate their sheep. The song caused controversies, making some strong Catholic people call out to burn Pet Shop Boys records.

In the middle of this, Jonathan King who we all know seemed to witness profits. He claimed 'It's a sin' was an uncredited remake of Cat Stevens' 'Wild World' since both songs use the same chord sequence; he took his claim to court and seriously sued the Pet Shop Boys for violation of copyright, also he recorded a synth pop version of Wild World to "prove" his point.

The court asked for a group of musicologists to help solve the matter. The musicologists explained that both songs are based on a certain chord pattern, a circle of falling fifths, which can be traced back to baroque music and has been a productive pattern throughout music history since then. A bunch of well-known pop classics are based on this sequence such as 'Fly me to the Moon' or 'I will survive'. So both 'Wild World' as well as 'It's a sin' make used of common musical material, which means no copyrights had been violated.

With that, Jonathan King had lost the cause. In turn, he then found himself sued by the Pet Shop Boys for defamation; he lost that cause too. On top of it all, nobody bought his cover version of 'Wild World' - he had put it out on a regular record, hoping someone would buy his version. All in all he had burned a hell lot of money, made no profit at all and ridiculed himself. Talk about a lesson of greed.

And all this only helped making 'It's a sin' the more successful. The song was one of the biggest hits ever for the Pet Shop Boys.

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As the thread popped back up in my feed, I reread this story and had to check out King's synth version of Wild World. All I can say about it is, what is wrong with that man's brain? He stole the music for It's a Sin and awkwardly grafted the words to Wild World on top. It almost disproves the point he was trying to make.

It is his birthday, and this tweet from Robert Plant had me convinced for a long moment he had died:

Happy birthday Phil!

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....and?

...and it turns out my process is quite like Peter's these days 😀. I'm thinking of just getting the band's name on me in one of their fonts. If I try to put that figure from NC on my body, i think there's a high probability it will come out atrocious. Like one of those ancient masterpieces that gets destroyed by a well-intentioned but completely inept restoration effort.

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But if we are hanging out before PG1 for any length of time, the Grail-ish recordings would be the 1976 demos outlined in the Genesis-News.com's excellent recording compendium. This session features demos of:

Here Comes The Flood

Slowburn

Flotsam & Jetsam

Get The Guns (a Gabriel/Hall song that evolved into Down The Dolce Vita)

Mr. Tattoo (a Gabriel-only credit that very little seems known about)

and an unknown track

Recorded by Peter on vocals and keyboard, Phil on drums, Ant on keyboards, Mike on bass, and John Goodsall on guitar.

Man, I really want to hear those.

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Fascinating to know such a session occurred. I'd be very interested to hear it too. Sounds like a glimpse into an alternate universe - what Genesis might have sounded like if Steve and Tony had gone off and formed their own band 😆.

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https://faroutmagazine.co.uk/t…il-collins-leave-genesis/

Yes, this was what I was thinking of. Something about the song as I was listening to it this weekend, in light of those comments, made me see it as the straw that broke the camel's back. It's a bit arbitrary of course, it's just one random fan's take. I certainly see the elements that carried forward to tracks in the 80s (and beyond - Alien Afternoon is pretty fantastical!), and they were a band that progressed along a continuum rather than abruptly.

Love the desolate city vibe of this song. 15.

Just listening to disc 2 of the BBC set and I think I can pinpoint Burning Rope as the song that ended the Genesis fantasy aspect this thread references. Phil's comments about the song since. His massive solo success almost immediately after. It sounds like a Fugitive song with Collins (and Rutherford)'s enormous talent pulling it up. I kind of like it and think Collins' judgement is a bit harsh but I think it is the "line in the sand" with a clear before and after in Genesis terms.

The DoaV that follows it on the BBC set... Holy God what a force they were!

This is a bit of a tough watch but worth it. I'm keenly aware that social media breeds doom merchantry, fear mongering and hysteria (there was a funny post by a tone deaf poster on Twitter in the last few days about something called an Arkstorm about to destroy California; the take down by proper meteorologists and proper science communicators was <chef's kiss>). But I increasingly don't like the data about the climate that's coming out and this fairly straight shooting scientist made the linked 20 minute video about it. I wish she didn't have the hard sell for some nature preservation group at the end but I don't think it detracts from the main message.

Just enjoying the BBC broadcast release. Listening to the first CD gave me a huge new appreciation for Get Em Out By Friday and during that track I thought the lines "it's said now that humans will be shorter in height, they can fit twice as many in the same building site" might be one of the most scathing takedowns of capitalism ever.

Actually this CD sounds amazing and is giving me a huge new appreciation of all things early Genesis. They were amazing. The Musical Box? Twilight Alehouse? Best ever.

Lovely psychedelia.

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Well, almost exactly a year later, The Genesis Show is recreating the 1980 Lyceum Ballroom show at the Keswick Theatre in suburban Philadelphia tomorrow night! 😎

Anyone else going?

Whoa. I'm in Boston. If this had been on my radar further in advance I would have gotten creative and made it happen. Sounds great! I can imagine closing my eyes at it and feeling I've traveled back in time to a gig I'd love to have been at. Enjoy!

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I've been hearing Chelsea Wolfe on the radio for the last month or so, I hadn't been aware of her before then. I really like this one, Tunnel Lights.

Like that a lot. Very strong Sharon Van Etten vibes (which is a good thing!).

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oh - didn't mean to be offensive! It's perfectly fine you like his output!

I just lost interest after his later albums all sounded more and more the same. I quite like "Golden Heart" and "Sailing..." but after that it became less interesting, especially his last few albums like "Privateering". And the new song sounds pretty boring to me. Would love to hear a proper rock album again.

I'd like that too. He was so good at it, and I liked best of all when he went off piste a little with stuff like Private Investigations, Telegraph Road or Your Latest Trick. I'm not familiar enough with his solo output to know if has any slightly odder stuff like that out there.

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To be honest I was more curious about what exactly the "arseholes down at the front" were doing to cause PC to end the show mid-song, but it'd be interesting to know the venue too.

I wonder if it was something along the lines of the shoving he called out on the IT tour video, early on in the show. Would be interested to know more too. Do you have a link by any chance? Or would it be ok to share on here if you did (I don't know the rules)?