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Posts by thewatcher
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Mamacita - Outkast
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Totally agree about full version of TTT!!
It would also be good to hear something they've not done live before - Many Too Many (which I think was previously rumoured?), or Undertow?
Yes, lots of talk of Many Too Many but I'm not sure where that came from to be honest. I don't know why they never played it before, if I had to guess, they couldn't think of a way to finish it (same as what happened to Way of the World on the WCD tour).
Undertow would be a seriously deep cut I'd be very surprised to hear. Like 'seven stones' surprised!
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My daughter playing The Happy Farmer on violin. No album cover to go with it!
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I agree about the loss of the TTT instrumental, a favourite passage of mine but many fans never liked it and even the band said it wasn't one of their strongest moments. I thought it brought a refreshingly different trancey feel to their work so it really irked me that they dropped it. The idiots!
I like that description, it is trancey and different for them. I also thought it worked really well on the IT tour, with the tension building up to a dramatic section visually and aurally.
Volcano does peter out, I agree the first half is certainly better, it's more the general principal of chopping bits of songs up. Not trying to sound too harsh, I do love the band after all, but it feels like their setlist is a bit of a box ticking exercise, where they have to play a piece of something to satisfy everyone. I'd personally be ok with missing out on a whole song I like if I knew they were playing different songs each night (not wholesale changes, but misunderstanding instead of that's all for example. Or cinema show instead of firth of fifth).
Going further down the rabbit hole, and I know Genesis are very much not this kind of band, but many bands play (or used to least) fanclub gigs where they focus on deeper cuts or even b sides and the like. That bizarre setlist we were joking about with the 2 Battle of Epping Forests would be in play! Well, one can always dream.
To continue rambling for a bit, I think the big issue for me is that I believe Genesis to be - at their core - actually a very exciting, interesting band. I find their studio music quite expansive and unafraid. I guess I find a disconnect then between their willingness to evolve in the studio versus the stagnant playlists they choose from night to night on a tour.
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Were there truncated versions released as promos or something?
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I wonder if I am the only one who doesn't like medleys of old Genesis songs?
Definitely not the only one. I'm not a fan, I wish they would play the whole song, and (I think) it's a symptom of the fact that they don't have a rotating roster of songs for a tour, i.e. they have to play half of dance on a volcano and half of firth of fifth every night, because they're never going to play all of dance one night and all of firth another night. I have railed against this kind of inflexibility in their setlists before to the point, I'm sure, of tedium. It's a real first world problem to complain of! I guess it comes from being a greedy fan, and wanting them to play more of their songs. They have such depth across all of their eras. I thought the 2007 setlist was terrific.
One segue that particularly bugs me was TTT-IT. I love the full version of TTT! Cutting it in half and jumping into IT does nothing for me.
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I love the idea of them doing Man On The Corner. Would go well with Many Too Many in a down tempo, never played/rarely played section.
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Alec Eiffel - Pixies
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Watch Out - Anya Marina
Accelerate - R.E.M.
Circadian Rhythm - Silversun Pickups
Precious pt 1 - Vargo
Praise Abort - Lindemann
Time Machine - Ride
Divide - Naked On Roller Skates
Cop Killer - John Maus
Poison Heart - Depeche Mode
Saxophone - Afterlife
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This made me chuckle. "How was your meal?" "Excellent - but it's left me in a weakened state".
Hahaha, I was phrasing it delicately (but accurately). Severely debilitated would work too. Non-functional, out of the game. Useful as a chocolate teapot. Arse like the Japanese flag. But so, so worth it!
Agreed re choice of spud and a robust beer - I've sometimes found a really big red wine can work well with a spicy meal too.
Yup, a nice red works extremely well for me too. Sometimes it almost feels like too much complexity on my taste buds with the spices and tannins (peppers, cumin, turmeric, garam masala, oak, vanilla, tobacco, chocolate, WOAH!) but you can't really have too much of that good thing. It's a delicious combo.
I read a food book with a chapter about the chilli craze that really took off in the UK in the 90s. Chilli farms and specialist sauces abounded, often with names invoking apocalyptic or satanic imagery such as "Dave's Thermonuclear Insanity Relish", "Phil's Armageddon Sauce" or "Eric's Essence of Hades" etc. It claimed that some of them were such intensely refined distillation of pure capsaicin that one single drop carefully dispensed from a pipette would spice up an entire vat of curry.
I think this is still a thing. I have a bottle of hot sauce my brother gave me for Christmas called Thor's Hammer. I also understand they keep trying to engineer hotter and hotter peppers, will be keeping an eye on that space but I think I have maxed out on what is enjoyable in that regard. There are some sauces where if you put too much on your scrambled eggs, they're no longer tasty.
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I've been listening to a band from Atlanta called Manchester Orchestra quite a bit lately, their album A Black Mile To The Surface is getting heavy rotation. It's what I think of as 'good' indie (melodic, not too drippy, solid loud-quiet dynamics). The drumming and the way they structure their songs catch my attention as being above average.
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Hi - new to this site so please be gentle and apologies for any typos! I've enjoyed reading everyone's thoughts on the hot topic of the set-list.
Whilst we all have our own preferred set lists, it will undoubtedly be influenced by the following:
1. Phil's mobility - on his recent solo tour he was helped onto the stage to take his place on the 'bar-stool' before welcoming the audience and then launching into Against All Odds. It was undoubtedly a lot more intimate, but far from the 'usual' explosive instrumental opener fans were used to. So, we may be wise to expect the same on the Last Domino tour....maybe starting with Domino (In the Glow of the Night)?
Alternatively.....the band may start loud with a long instrumental (maybe Dukes Intro?) during which, clever stage lighting etc disguise the fact that PC has taken his position at the mic, as it segues into maybe Domino Part 2, or my personal preference for the start of the show Abacab.
2. Phil's ability to drum - whilst there has been word of him trying to practice playing, we can't expect to see the old Phil running back and forth between mic and drums. It's surprising that there doesn't appear to provision for any double-drumming (which in my eyes has always been one of Genesis strong points in live sets) so, in spite of how good Nic is as a drummer (and he is great), this may affect the overall sound a bit, and also affect some of the set list choices.
All that said, if Phil can only drum for a limited time, I can picture it bringing the house down if the band launch into Los Endos to close the main set with both Phil and Nic drumming together.
3. Phil's voice - A lot is obviously made about how well Phil can still sing. I was lucky enough to see his last solo show at RAH London and, admittedly, I was nervous about how he would sound. I'd heard and read some things about the first show in Liverpool and his voice was undoubtedly fragile in places. All I can say is that his voice got stronger through the tour and by the time the RAH London show took place he was really strong - yes, the pitch may have changed a bit, and some of the high notes were a challenge in places, but you really didn't notice after a while. If they have 'backing' singers ( as has been rumoured) to 'help' with vocals on certain songs, this could actually add to the overall performance.
All of the above taken into account, Genesis will want to perform their strongest material they can that appeals to fans from all eras - ideally a kind of "Best of Genesis Live" playlist.
Personally, I'd like them to include some of the 'medley / segues' they've used in the past such as - Lamb...Watcher; 11th Earl...Squonk....Firth of Fifth; Dancing with Moonlit Knight....Musical Box; In The Cage....Cinema Show....Afterglow. If the set was 'built' around these, with other songs scattered around them I'd be happy - this should include some fan favourites as well as the 'hits' - Mama, Carpet Crawlers, Land of Confusion, Invisible Touch, Follow You Follow Me, Duchess (or New Duchess as they're calling it), Driving the Last Spike (a personal favourite), and obviously Supper's Ready (even if only an abridged version (but which part can you leave out?!)) would go down a storm with the audience.
For an encore it would be good to hear Turn It On Again and finishing old-school with I Know What I Like (maybe with The Knife thrown in between for the purists?).welcome!
Some interesting points you make, and the perspective on Phil's voice from the show you attended is good news. I thought mama was a stretch back in 2007 so I'd be surprised to see it this time around. Sadly I think his drumming days are done but you never know I suppose.
Very interesting thought on Los endos - that would be a powerful way to finish. I'm not a huge fan of medleys myself but you are correct - they've always been a feature of the tours and they are a way to shoehorn in bits of more songs than they otherwise would.
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thewatcher Regarding what we touched on here. Your home-made vindaloo sounds hotter than the heart of the sun! I'm very fond of spicy food, my parents came to the UK from India where they were used to spicy food and we all grew up on it but unlike some people I know whose tolerance for chillies seems to have decreased, mine has grown, especially recently and I've been craving them more than before. Even so, I don't think I'd be on board with your vindaloo which would surely irreparably wreck the Scoville Scale.
When I lived in SW London I used to eat at a Goan restaurant in Putney. They did a very authentic pork vindaloo which, yes, was very hot with red chillies but enough to blend well with the rich mix of spices and the tang of vinegar which is vital to the dish. Still the very best one I've had anywhere.
Tonight I'm making a lamb tagine with cinnamon and prunes.
Yes, my version was truly blazing. I've also found my taste and tolerance increasing over time. Once or twice I left myself in a weakened state after indulging in my home made one, but like they say, what doesn't kill you makes you stronger. The vinegar is a key ingredient. I think i used to use a red wine vinegar. The potato choice is important too - russets or something sturdy, so it doesn't turn into mush. And I never skimped on the spices. Important to have that flavor so it's not just an exercise in immolating myself from the inside out.
I have sparked an interest in making this again through discussing it! I drink an IPA with it, something mid-strength in the 6-6.5 ABV range. Takes a little of the scald off.
Hope the lamb tagine turned out - sounds delicious.
I do also like sourdough toasted
oh yes. I'd have Backdrifter's toppings on it from above though, and a mug of hot black coffee, ideally made at home with beans from the roasters across the road.
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Haha, I said 'briefly' at the start of my post
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I love the idea of your 'weekly vindaloo'. I'm sure you've mentioned it another thread, maybe the Food & Drink one. Is it the same dish each week from the same source or do you vary it? Do you ever make it yourself?
I probably did mention it - I'm prone to repetition. Briefly, I had worked my way up to a weekly 'phall' (hotter than vindaloo) from the same Indian place. Then I moved to the US where i had very little money, and even if I had, the hottest thing I could find was a pale imitation of vindaloo. So I started making my own. I found a very good recipe online, and started investigating peppers... I settled on a combination of Carolina Reapers, Moruga Scorpions and Ghost Peppers, adding around 10 of the first two and 7 or 8 ghosts (for a smokier heat). This would be for a large pot from which I could freeze 5 or 6 portions in addition to the one I was eating. The result was beyond incendiary and I loved it. A chef mate of mine gave me the tip to add dark chocolate and it was the final touch that made it perfect.
Now I have a little more money and a good bit less time, and we moved to a place with a great Indian restaurant, so I'm back to buying it. Same order every weekend (I get chicken, pilau rice and a garlic naan). I had to badger them at the start to make it hot enough... Eventually they got the message! I tip well enough now to thank them.
That's my vindaloo story. Sorry it was long! I think sitting down to eat it probably hits some of the same receptors as smoking a cigarette does (I haven't smoked in fifteen years). Satisfaction and a sense that 'this is what I'm doing for the next while, and nothing will disturb me'!
For the thread: I've never seen Breaking Bad.
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GoT comes up a lot with this question. I too am a non-GoT-er. Never read any Lord of the Rings nor seen the films beyond a few minutes worth.
You're not missing anything. I thought I was going to implode from boredom during one of those movies. In fact, had I been offered the option of imploding, I would have gratefully taken it.
I've never had curry.
May I politely enquire... Is it something you avoid on purpose or it's just never come up? My weekly vindaloo is one of the few anchors I have that keeps me from going berserk.
Edit: I've never eaten (or 'shucked') an oyster
Also edit: excellent idea for a thread.
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I listened to this album after having listened to all of Genesis, and having a good bit of familiarity with the mechanics works. I found - and still find - the mechanics very middle of the road, and quite unexciting. My impression had been that Mike was something of a lightweight contributor in writing terms to Genesis. I would have thought of Throwing It All Away (a song I find terribly bland) as the quintessential Mike song.
I was therefore very pleasantly surprised by Smallcreep's Day. I haven't listened in a while but it was much more ambitious and complex than I expected. For a long time it was my favorite solo album by a member (likely overtaken by Up or Hello! I must be going). I look forward to listening again soon to see if my favorable impression still holds.
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I have never seen or read Harry Potter or Game of Thrones.
