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Quote from Christian

we have been lobbying the idea of rereleasing the boxsets for years when we talk to the management.
It’s not out of question, but rather unlikely. The sets were expensive to make, then the band doesn’t like the idea of rereleasing stuff etc.

we will keep asking for it, nevertheless!

amazing they don’t like re releasing when they have re issued the albums again separately on vinyl and also some of them on coloured vinyl and half speed. The lobbying of management is very much appreciated, please keep it up. If we had a poll on here requesting who would buy them I’m sure Yoy would get good very positive results to direct in their direction!.

Quote from The_Genesis_Archive

The promotional campaign for these boxsets was quite extensive, how did you miss it?

The other issue is, a lot of people didn't understand the Surround Sound aspect of the boxsets, so they thought they were over priced reissues.

The third issue, people in American whined on about excessive stereo compression, despite the boxsets being about the Surround sound from the very inception.

Fourth issue, people moaned and complained about the visual bonus footage. Forgetting it was an additional bonus to the boxsets not the main reason they were being released.

So after all of that would you still want them?

TGA

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I didn’t actually see the box sets at the time although I did buy the green vinyl Box set, I would definitely want to buy all of them without hesitation. I have seen them and watched the video footage but can’t afford to buy them at the ridiculous prices people are selling them for. If anyone bought two copies I’m willing to buy them at the purchase price!.

why anyone would complain about them is really unbelievable as they are definitive.

I was hoping someone could supply details of who we could email to request a re issue of the box sets, a lot of members don’t have them and it wouldn’t harm trying to get a petition up requesting a repress. I know a few members already own them but what about the rest of us who have waited for 14 years without a hint this will be looked at again!.

Quote from FirthOfFifth

https://theeviljam.co.uk/2011/08/20/trip-to-the-farm/

that was really interesting , I wish they would repress those three box sets once more as probably everyone does who doesn’t own them!.

Quote from Backdrifter

Film footage?

more than likely audio which surely must be a good potential earner for the band, I mean probably 95% of those who come to this site would buy it!!. Which to me suggests they either don’t want to release it, they don’t think the quality is good enough for release sound wise or just feel there is no need to expand the catalogue which is Spartan in content at best ( my opinion ). I think the audio from all the live video Material in the past is good enough to release?, especially the one from In concert where the roadies are setting up the stage and has Bill Bruford drumming. A full release of the audio on that would be tremendous.

As well as the live stuff that hasn’t seen the light of the day (there must be some), as I said earlier why the band don’t look at re issuing all the albums on bluray audio which there is a big market for confounds me. We haven’t had one super deluxe edition of any of the classic albums - Black Sabbath have so far released 4 / Paul McCartney has also released a few. Even Lesser know acts like Caravan / Al Stewart / Wishbone Ash have or are releasing massive box sets with extra material.

The annoying thing for me is there probably is some marvellous stuff sat there waiting for someone to take the initiative - pity no one seems to take any. I can only drool at the prospect of seeing a package coming through the post in 2025 with Selling England - containing a 6 LP vinyl with original album over two LPs at 1/2 speed mastering / 2 LPs of demos and outtakes/studio run throughs and two LPs of a live concert. Also the contents would include a tour poster / hard back book and a blu ray of the album at 24/96 or 24/192 and accompanying live footage of that era. I can dream!!.

I take your point but even acts like Joni Mitchell were being recording on reel to reel tape to a satisfactory level before even making it. King Crimson weren’t exactly massive (albeit significantly larger than Genesis I admit) but they took great pains to record lots of their live performances for future release. On the other hand Genesis as we know became a massive band from the late 70s onwards and we haven’t had much to listen to from WAW onwards. I do think they could have at least released the BBC live recordings on the Duke tour which would be most welcome - but once again nothing!. You surely would agree that we haven’t had much at all over the years?.

Yes released a box set of full concerts a few years back which although repetitive In content was very welcome, I wish there was something similar from Genesis - I don’t understand why we haven’t had multiple live releases akin to what Yes / Crimson and Caravan have achieved?.

Maybe is just a simple case if they can’t be bothered with it , seems to me that’s the case to be honest. I’d rather have something from the glory days than a blu ray of the recent tour (as good as that was) any day!.

it would have been great if there was a Grateful Dead mentality back in the day where they allowed professional recording equipment lugged in by the fans to the shows!, that has provided some excellent recordings and was very forward thinking at a time when most fans were having to sneak recording equipment into the gigs.

This question has always been in the back of my mind but the amount of live stuff available from the early days seems like scraps at best. What with the Genesis live album and the archives release With The Lamb and other tracks we seem To have been very poorly served over the years. Why is this?, every artist of any note seems to be releasing stuff (take for example Neil Young who seems to be releasing loads of early acoustic stuff and has three more releases scheduled). We Genesis fans get nothing at all, To be honest it really is getting to me this lack of appreciation that fans want to hear these things. Surely the group took recording equipment to their shows back in the day as other artists were doing?. The lack of such releases or re evaluation of the back catalogue on Blu Ray audio for example seems like a real kick in the teeth to the fans such as myself who gladly would part with money.

I went to see Muse at the 02 on the last tour taking a disabled lady with me who couldn’t stand up, selfish so and so’s in front of me stood up early in the performance with arms flaring. I after seeing this ladies back for four numbers asked if they would kindly sit down so we could see. I stressed that my friend couldn’t stand up and therefore couldn’t see. These ladies sat down for all of two songs then stood up again for the remainder of the concert. How I kept my cool I don’t know but i was progressively getting more and more annoyed with this selfishness !. An expensive evening looking at two women I can tell you!.

I do agree that people seem to spend more time going to the toilet and buying hotdogs and pints of beer ruining others evenings by supping to much.

I think with the way things are over here in the current climate with health and safety they probably won’t re open it till the roof is fully enclosed again. I’m guessing there are a lot of electrical apparatus etc under that massive tarpaulin skin. Plus if it rains as is expected over coming days everything will be wet through. Hopefully it’s a quick repair if they have access to the materials.

I can’t see that been fixed anytime soon it looks like a major issue now 6 full panels have gone. Considering how big the 02 is the amount of material torn is immense. It’s a major shame to be honest, I’m guessing that replacing the roof that’s gone will be a time consuming business it will have to be fully checked and structurally assessed for damage to the sections that held the roof up.

fingers crossed for the concerts that are due this week and next whoever they may be.

What a tremendous group your involved with!, I watched the Lamb last week that you guys performed on YouTube from beginning to end as was blown away by how good it was. My girlfriend also a fan watched it and was as equally impressed. I wish you would play internationally but I understand that you ain’t a touring act as such which is a shame for us fans in the Uk.

Great, Great stuff as are your expert and accurate performances of the other artists You have covered.

Even though TMB are a tribute group they don’t charge tribute band prices and are possibly akin to the Australian Pink Floyd as the foremost accurate exponents of the tribute band show. The comments above are really accurate I feel. I just wish the Rock Orchestra would play internationally as their version of the Lamb albeit without Screens and all the props was fantastic. Found thet the other day on YouTube and the playing was spot on for me.

Has anyone else got any thoughts about cancelling, Covid is going to around forever and as such we are going to have to live with it for the foreseeable future. I feel these concerts in the UK were cancelled pure and simple as a knock on effect of cancelling the European dates?. Possibly The group thought it isn’t financially possible to come over to Europe and the UK twice to do the same show so just cancelled the lot of them to do the one trip. There is nothing preventing any group touring England at this time, no restrictions on crowd numbers or anything. Isn’t this what the vaccination programmes are supposed to be for to allow us to live and do things we enjoy?. Obviously Musical Box have their own feelings on what is best for them as a group but delaying a show for three years after so much excitement at finally seeing this show in a couple of weeks really has disappointed the fans. I’m sure a lot of people were really looking forward to it after so long a wait.

To add I think moving them to Feb 2023 is ridiculous, they should have scheduled for the summer months when covid is less likely to be an issue, we all know the winter months are when it tend to take hold. Re scheduled with two weeks to go is just to soon they should of honoured these tour commitments, just my feelings.

Am completely peeved now just got an email saying concert rescheduled to 2023 !! There are no restrictions here in England why can’t they do them!. I was so looking forward to this concert. All shows here in the UK are allowed so why can’t the Musical Box do these dates.

Despite our desire to finally introduce you to The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway over the next few weeks, the new wave of COVID-19 infection is forcing us to push back our UK tour to 2023."

I think that is a lame excuse to be honest, I’ve had Omicron and am triple jabbed and it was no worse than a common cold. I think this excuse isn’t on really as no one else is cancelling shows currently !!. If Genesis can manage to do their shows with covid around and all members are considerably more at risk than Musical Box due to age then why can’t The Musical Box?, I am really disappointed and I feel cancelling is wrong I didn’t expect the UK dates to be affected at all!!. This concert will be more than 2.5 years late

A shame about the European leg but I’m hoping the English leg will proceed as I’m now going to the first show of the tour in York!. It’s been cancelled twice now think it’s was two years ago I bought these tickets !. Fingers crossed

Quote from The_Genesis_Archive

Phil's been saying that since the late 70's, its his way of dealing with hecklers.

We saw 5 shows, each had a different atmosphere.

TGA

agreed, that the atmosphere was different but I put that down to me sitting in completely different seats on both nights. 5 nights boy that’s expensive but all power to you!. I went to see Hackett three times but that was a much more manageable £150 total!. I will hopefully take in a London show of someone cannot attend, and sells their ticket at a reduced amount. Genesis tickets are the most expensive I’ve ever bought. The days of seeing groups of a similar quality like Pink Floyd for £7.50 are long gone.

I’m glad to see that the group have added these extra dates for those European fans to enjoy, Maybe the group are having a second wind and are more optimistically adding dates due to Phil been positive and agreeing to extensions. Long may this continue!.

Mind you Steve Hackett said the same thing at the three shows I went to so it isn’t just Mr Collins!, for example there’s a longer interval than we usually have and you have longer to get hammered!!. Said the word hammered at all three concerts!. I was a bit jealous as my partner hates driving it the dark so muggins here had about as much chance of getting hammered as winning the lottery ( although I did accidentally block Steve’s Taxi parking up at Harrogate as we were allowed to park near the stage door as have a blue badge) . Security said to me you just missed him , I said missed who she said Steve Hackett you blocked his taxi!!. Oops!!. I was to busy parking the car in the limited space the lady directed me to !!. Left hand down a bit!.