Even though I saw it live, the TIOA "medley" from the MAMA tour has to be a contender.
I can't remember the exact songs in it but I know Karma Chameleon was in there somewhere. And from what I remember, that didn't go down particularly well.
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I appear to be a lone voice with one, but I have always found the love for this song baffling.
To me its shouty Phil at his shoutiest, the keyboard sounds at their worst, and the band generally at their most 80s, and not in a good way.
To be fair, I like the last third a bit more, when Phil has calmed it down a bit.
For me it's one of their worst songs of the 80s, slightly higher than I'd Rather Be You.
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I appreciate YOSW isn't massively popular with fans. I mean, I like it, but that's almost irrelevant I think.
Whether IAO is a better song isn't the issue for me. I just don't think it fits on the album. For me the nature of the lyrics just don't fit the atmosphere of the album.
I like the song a lot, but I think it would stick out like a sore thumb.
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When I first heard this track I couldn't believe it had been relegated to what is essentially a B-side.
To this day, I still love the song, and the sheer Hackett-ness of it.
However, I don't see where or how it would fit on WAW, so I think they made the right choice.
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I bought this when it came out, and I was a bit disappointed with it. I didn't think it contained as much "Genesis-ness" (Genesisosity?) as Curious Feeling.
Some time ago I realised that I actually like it a lot and it is comfortably my favourite TB solo work. And conversely I don't think ACF has aged well at all.
It's got that 80s immediacy which isn't there for ACF. I suppose his voice takes a bit of getting used to, but I think it really suits the songs.
I think my favourite tracks are By You, This is Love, and the At The Edge of Night.
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Absolutely loads in Manchester too.
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I had planned to go to the Manchester show, but as mentioned by several people, the prices put me off.
As a matter of interest, if venues like the arenas sell badly, do they eventually offer up tickets at reduced prices, or do they sell them at full price all the way until the actual show?
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I'm sorry to hear about your experience. Yes, I can imagine it's disappointing not having the slides, as they're an integral part of the experience.
All in all though, I would urge you not to write them off just yet. Apparently they're doing the Selling England tour next year...
I'm only saying this because I've seen them about 8 times and they've all been great.
EDIT Just reread your previous post, so I now know you've seen them before. So fair enough.
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I'm sure this will be an unpopular ranking but mine are:
1. Living Forever
2. Never a Time
3. Way of the World
All in all, We Can't Dance is one of my favorite Genesis albums
I love Never A Time. It's probably my 3rd favourite after FL and Last Spike.
I was surprised to find it wasn't more popular.
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I shall seek it out.
I forgot to mention that there a few HP episodes. The ones I particularly enjoyed are the "My 80s".
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Ah, nice one. We've exchanged a few messages on twitter, I'm "Huw" on there.
Keep up the excellent work
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Interesting. Is this the man himself?
If so, just want to say that I love the podcast. Especially the HP and Martin Page episodes.
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I’ve always thought the sound of SO was disappointing, too polished, and frankly a bit bland. But the half speed vinyl version is much better to my ears, beefier and a bit more focus
on guitar. The Lamb sounds better but still lacks the bite of the studio version. I’ll have a listen to those other versions.
Personally I think the sound works for some tracks (CS, DOAV, SR etc) and not for others (Lamb, Squonk, Afterglow).
But then with those latter songs, I always preferred the studio versions anyway. I think those 3 songs are examples of tracks which had a magic element to them on the album, which they didn't manage or choose to recreate live.
So my gripe is probably more about the live feel, than the SO production itself
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And echoing Backdrifter, I never really got the live version. Too light, too fast, and sometimes too funky.
The album version is menacing, growling and gritty in the way they didn't seem to want to replicate live.
Having said that, I'm very happy to say I got to see Peter perform this with Genesis at the reunion in 1982.
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(Which bit counts as spoken word?)
In addition to the above notes on piano and vocal I'd add in the crunchy growling bass which I love and is among my favourite of Rutherford's work. I've heard others say that's something they don't like! Always interesting how fans differ - eg I'll never understand the preference some have for the lighter, skippier Seconds Out version which I find too fey and way inferior to the chunky slightly menacing original.
I also like the vocal harmonies on the title phrase, and the solid drumming. Hackett seems distant on this track but his characteristic subtle touch is there in the mid section.
I suppose you could say this track gives the album a much better opening than the ending. Its 'looming' feel seems to preface the arrival of the huge cloud soon to engulf Rael and start his strange adventure. It's a nice scene-setter, giving us a picture of NYC into which the protagonist steps and we immediately get a sense of who he is with his spraypaint can. Whereas it leaves us hanging somewhat.
I like that it was such a frequent feature of their live set and was surprised and pleased with the 'lounge' version on the final tour.
Banks said it was the last song he and Gabriel sat down to write together. In that sense it marks the closing of the key partnership they established at school, so it was fitting it featured in the band's final outing.
Yes! The bass is amazing on this track.
It's in my top 10 Genesis tracks, which is high praise indeed. 15/15.
There's so much to say about this track I dont know where to start. But I think the one thing that leaps out is the POWER of this track. You can tell from track 1, this isn't the Genesis of SEBTP. The track immediately taps into the power and other-worldliness of the album. And it's not the weirdness of Unifauns and Chocolate Surprise.
Plus, I've just come back from a brilliant week in NYC, so this is good timing!
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Taylor Swift stole my idea! She has a "surprise section" bit in her show apparently where she plays songs she hasn't played before, and doesn't repeat songs that she's played in that section before.
Genesis could have gotten there first if only they'd listened 😆.
Quite. From a fan's perspective, this is brilliant stuff.
However she seems a lot fonder of her whole catalogue, in contrast to some chaps we could mention.
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Instant 15. No brainer.
One of their greatest ever tracks, and second greatest opening track after Watcher.
I never saw them play it in full but they played a section of it as the intro to the old medley on the Mama tour, and I can still remember the crowd reaction.
It's got everything, it would be quicker to list its faults, which are...well I don't know, I haven't found any yet. It's a shame it didn't get played for all that long
I suppose if I had to choose a favourite aspect I would say the intro. Exciting, anticipatory, glorious, powerful. Not to mention the beautiful quiet section in the middle.
Sets up the album beautifully too.
In short, I'm a fan.
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Hhhm. I've never understood the love for this track. It's always felt like filler to me.
I'm not one to skip tracks while listening to an album, but I can make an exception for this.
All in all I like IT, and LOVED it when it came out, I had been so disappointed by the GENESIS album. So it's not that I hate the whole 80s sound. Just this tracks leaves me cold.
I seem to be in a minority though!
