Posts by Duke of Earl of Mar

De Do Do Do, De Da Da Da - The Police

Love Me Do - The Beatles - Lennon/McCartney

Private Dancer - Tina Turner (by Mark Knopfler)

If we stay in the "pop/rock" area, I have 3 bands/artists that are essential part of my life since my childhood :

Genesis

Neil Young (I discovered him first, at 5 or 6 years old)

Prince (I discovered him quite late, in 2011 at 18-19 years old, and the first thing that came to my mind was "How is it possible that I have missed that for so long ??)

Being a Genesis fan, I also love everything in their "area" :

Sting and The Police

Kate Bush

Pink Floyd

Supertramp

Alan Parsons Project

I'm into jazz and classical music too :

Debussy and Ravel (I was listening to their work before getting into Genesis, again as a child, and since both had a strong influence on Tony Banks, I understand why Wind and Wuthering had such an impact on me...)

Thelonious Monk

Miles Davis

Bill Evans

Keith Jarrett

Snowbound (Genesis-Rutherford)

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It's a bit like saying Cinema Show would be just as good without the instrumental parts, isn't it...

You know, Cinema Show instrumental is based on a Banks/Collins/Rutherford jam... So, what's your point ? Hackett is God ? Everything without him is shit ?

Hackett himself said it took some time before daring to compose and propose things to the band, because he didn't feel as strong as the others. So he wasn't "all over the place" at all. There are greater chances that any bit you like in the "classic-prog" era was actually composed by Gabriel/Banks/Rutherford.

It wasn't until he released his first album that he felt he was strong enough, and from this point, he never stopped composing but his ideas were often rejected, for being too... "convoluted" I think.

The problem is, I think, that he thought his role had to evolve in the band : he went from a "shy" player, greatly contributing to the sound, but not composing too much (For Absent Friends, Can-Utility, end of Moonlit Knight, After the Ordeal, Cuckoo Cokoon), to a full composer asking for an equal share.

At the same time, Banks and Rutherford, who were founders of the band, were also composing a lot. The position and status were different.

So Steve chose to leave...

The band went on, Steve too...

It's not that dramatic. We should get over it, it has been 44 years.

He is 17 years old. He plays drums first and foremost, and he has done a lot of Genesis covers (and I mean very, very good ones...) but he is also a multi-instrumentalist.

He has released two albums so far, one 2 years ago, the other this year.

Well, the music speaks for itself... I think you will like it. I thought it was so good that I had to create a Youtube account to comment about it and congratulate him...

First album :

Playlist : https://www.youtube.com/watch?…sNZtt8QwsO9SQBAaZhReGb8Xc

The second one :

Playlist : https://www.youtube.com/watch?…vSpfpyAGO27ebldvwj-UguaHY

A cover (and there are others to listen too...) :

Here is a famous picture :

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I think my favourite album is Never For Ever. Love the sound of it. "Breathing" is a highlight to me.

Her guitarist was Alan Murphy, who also played on the first two Mechanics album (and also a year with Level 42, before dying of AIDS - Mark King played on various occasions with Phil, for Prince's Trust).

Apparently, there is a new sub-variant of the Delta coronavirus appearing in England : the AY4.2. (nice name, isn't it...).

Hope it's nothing too serious, now that a good proportion of people are vaccinated, in England and elsewhere (roughly...). Let's hope everyone won't suffer and go to the hospital.

Fingers crossed for March 2022 !

Well, I'm not expecting this thread to go very far. I made some research before, and found nothing related to the idea I have... which is :

- To post anything related to the band and its members that makes you laugh, even when it's stupid like this :

https://va.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_qzmarhl8m91zsy4xt.mp4

"Cocktails with Pattie Boyd..."

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the former wife of George Harrison

How is it possible that I didn't make the connection right away !?

Her name did ring a bell with me but I couldn't figure why...

Now it just seems so obvious...

There is a rumor, which is that George Harrison played on Hideaway, the final song of Mike's second solo album.

Since Pattie seems to know Mike for a long time, that rumor could gain in consistency...

EDIT : Actually, not a rumor anymore, but a fact it seems. Someone named Martyn Ford on Youtube put a comment under this video. Since he's credited as the string arranger for the track...

According to this lady, who seems to know Mike Rutherford quite well, he is one of the sick members (there are four of them she says, confirming what we already know). Phil Collins is in great shape, she said too.

Don't worry, nothing serious as she knows, they're all recovering.

This is not the main point of the video, though. It's more a casual conversation about various things (cocktails, polo...). Quite enjoyable. It happened a few weeks before the start of the tour.

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Genesis Show tribute band

Their keyboard player, Matt Thomas, has a Youtube Channel, where he plays all the Tony Banks parts and shows the gear he uses. Amazing stuff for musicians and gear enthusiasts !

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the atmospheric end of Ballad of Big

True. The bassline at the end is great also. I said maybe it was not one of their strongest effort, but I can't help but like it anyway. Funny song with a catchy chorus.

Almost all the songs of ATTWT could have been played with Steve Hackett.

The songs canvas and the overall sound are still 100% "classic Genesis", even if the songs are shorter.

One exception could be FYFM. I don't think Steve would have been happy to play the guitar part (simple and repetitive, but so effective and nice-sounding - yes I like that song). He had done it already on Pigeons, and we know how it ended (well, not specifically because of that song, that I like too btw, but you see my point I guess).

I know that album is not very well considered by the fans and especially the band itself. I understand why. Sure, W&W and Duke have "stronger" material. A thing that I like about Genesis is how their albums from Selling to Duke are constructed. Aside from the Lamb, none of these albums are strict "concept albums", but there are lots of musical bits to link pieces together (DWTMK/Aisle of plenty, DOAV/Squonk/Los Endos, EEOM/In That Quiet Earth and OFTV/Wot Gorilla, the Duke Suite). ATTWT doesn't have that. Still, the songs are good (even Ballad of Big or Scenes from a Night's dream which subjectively are not their strongest efforts, with a few others like Another Record, Anything She Does, Never A Time... at least to my ears).

And I think it has their most powerful and promising opening track ever.

Quote from Jazz Buffalo (https://jazzbuffalo.org/event/…ounge-philippe-lemm-trio/)

"Angelo lived a very full, giving, and productive life. He also lived his adult life with anxiety and depression."

There is also the fact that his family chose to support this cause : The National Alliance on Mental Illness – New York.

Sad news, I just read that one of the pianists, Angelo Di Loreto passed away last year, on October 17th 2020.

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I feel they were always aiming to finish the UK tour in London strong, building up as they went along before hitting America.

I feel the UK fans are more forgiving than perhaps some of the American markets, I hope it all goes positively over there for everyone.

This tour is a bonus, seeing all four of them again, plus the beginnings of Nic is a great thing to cherish.

I think Phil said that London is usually a more difficult audience than the rest of the UK.

Once again, too bad the last shows were cancelled, as Phil was getting stronger. He was more confident with his voice on that last gig (On Mama, during the bridge, when he sings "Now listen to me Mama, Mama, Mama...", usually he would go down on the last "Mama", singing an Eb, but in Glasgow he chose to go up to a G - like the original melody).

Quite strong, considering his condition. And it proves objectively he was getting better over time.

Your last sentence summarises the purpose of the tour.

😂

I read somewhere here that Youtube videos tend to highlight flaws in a live show. And I think it's true. I've never been to Genesis show, but being in the moment it is happening changes the whole perspective (and it's probably true for nearly every artist). We get more of a general feeling being there, rather than paying attention to details (even if you can, especially when you're a musician also).

Every member of the audience, particularly the fans, and most importantly the band itself acknowledge this is not their best show they put on, because of physical problems and age. They're giving the best they can.

This is expensive, yes. But there is a context for the whole thing : this is their last tour, Phil is tired, and there is a pandemic, so setting a tour is a real bet. So it's quite emotional, not so rational. And it's a good thing. Judging by the amount of people coming, price does not seem to be a problem to most of them, even if the music is not perfect. There is a lot more than that.

I'm a musician and I know all the songs by heart, so I notice every little mistake or flaw happening while playing. But it doesn't bother me. I'm too happy to see everyone happy... And this is what makes a great concert also.

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You wouldn't accept this from any other act!

Probably not. But since it's Genesis in 2021, then...