Ah, I see what you mean. My apologies. I agree, that middling period from More to Atom Heart Mother does rank as the least appreciated era of the band. And I'm guilty of that lack of appreciation because I don't really like those albums at all!
I like to divide this way:
1. From Genesis to Revelation through Selling England By the Pound
2. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway through Three Sides Live
3. Genesis through Live Over Europe 2007
Well, that's one of the more curious divisions I've seen but to each his own!
Spot on, Mark. Paul Russell wrote about his favourite era of the band which is fair enough. It's a shame that a writer of his calibre has not picked up where he left off.
Not only does Play Me My Song serve as a fitting testament to one particular era of the band's performing career it's also a helpful guide to anyone who is interested in collecting Genesis bootlegs from that time.
I never did get to listen to the early years box set but I do love the Barrett era of Floyd. I don't think those early years are so much underappreciated as overlooked. Or maybe people just prefer to avoid listening to music made by a man whose mental health is clearly in steady decline.
I find the Barrett era of Floyd (and the albums he made afterwards) to be magical, funny, scary and, ultimately, quite upsetting. We had Dark Globe on in the car the other day and my wife and I just looked at each other, gave a heavy sigh and cried a little.
As for Nick, though, personally I'm just happy to see the Floyd men still active.
Noni mentioned earlier Druid who have a huge Yes sound so thought I would play
I have always enjoyed this album although I know it divides opinion
I like parts of it. Leaves Of Green and the start and end of Ritual are beautiful pieces of music in my opinion. As a totality, I find the whole thing execrable, just the pious audacity of it is progressive rock at its very worst. However, it was an album that Yes had to make, even though the endeavour proved beyond them. Tales From Topographic Oceans was Yes pushing themselves beyond their capabilities so, for me, the attempt to pull off an album like this is more remarkable than the music itself.
Sorry, we shouldn't really comment on other people's musical tastes but you brought up the fact that the album divides opinion so I thought it was relevant to voice mine!
If Ned Sylvan is singing for elephants then it's a cruel irony for the poor creature that its ears are so big.
The most untypical songs of Genesis for me are Who dunnit and The Waiting Room, simply because these tracks get on my tits enormously
The only parameters you've mentioned here are that these songs annoy you. So, no, they're not the parameters that I mentioned in my original post.
Except that "A Winter's Tale" isn't from the first album. It's a non-album single that has commonly been included as a bonus track on reissues of the first album.
Like I say, I've never listened to the album much, certainly not enough to know what the correct track list is. I must have bought a re-issue, though, because my copy (which "features" an awful illustration by fantasy artist Chris Achilleous) has One-Eyed Hound and That's Me on it as well as the ubiquitous Winter's Tale.
Wrong thread, slowdancer. This isn't really about Genesis songs that, ahem, "get on your t"ts", it's about the songs that challenge preconceptions (some of which are held by people who don't know much about Genesis beyond the odd hit single and some of which are held by a fanbase who believe that the band should only operate within the strictest parameters - or, as noted Genesis fan Al Murray put it, that such progressive bands should not progress beyond what they've achieved on their first three albums) of what the band actually achieved.
I realised the other day that I've probably accumulated more music than I will ever get around to listening to in this lifetime. A sobering thought, that.
I've decided that I need to catalogue all of my bootlegs in a style reminiscent of Paul Russell's excellent Play Me My Song which covers Genesis shows from the very beginning up to 1975. Obviously, this is very much a work in progress but I'm making good headway on Genesis 1976 - 1992. Other projects include Phil Collins 1982 - 1997 and Yes 1972 - 2004. I don't know what I'll do when I've completed them. Destroy them probably!
Genesis' catalog has enough variety that it's difficult to say what's "typical" or "not typical" for them. As far as "not typical" goes, though, it's hard to beat the first half of "The Waiting Room."
If it came to playing "guess who this is," however, I'd be inclined to go with something from their very early days, like "A Winter's Tale." Whether that's "not typical" isn't the point so much; it's just something the average listener wouldn't recognize as Genesis.
Interesting that you should pick a song from the first album. Noel Gallagher (that well-known baiter of Phil Collins and writer of derivative rock and roll tunes) was recently introduced to The Conqueror and was totally blown away by it. From Genesis To Revelation is not an album that I've listened to much over the years but on revisiting The Conqueror I was similarly surprised at how good it is. It actually sounds a lot like the tunes that typified the "Madchester scene" of the nineties so it's small wonder that Gallagher was so taken with it.
Oh, and if you familiarise yourself with Strunk And White, you'll find it's Genesis's, not Genesis'
Which song - if any - would you say was the least typical of the band's repertoire?
Over the years - and certainly in the second half of their career - the band experimented with a host of different styles, some of which were more successful than others, depending on your point of view. For example, on The Lamb there was The Waiting Room - an atonal jam which was the closest that Genesis ever came to the sort of "free jazz" as performed by the likes of Ornette Coleman or Miles Davis during the early seventies - and on A Trick Of The Tail and Wind And Wuthering Phil pushed the band into Weather Report territory with Los Endos and Wot Gorilla respectively.
Come the eighties and they really threw out the rule book. Misunderstanding tapped into a more American sound, specifically recalling Toto's Hold The Line. On Abacab, they killed as many sacred cows as they could find, abandoning musical traditions like big chords, complex instrumental passages and a tambourine on the chorus! In their place was a stripped down sound with an almost punkish attitude (indeed, Who Dunnit actively invites the comparison with punk) while influences ranged from reggae to r'n'b to the blues to a kind of industrial funk on Dodo.
For me, the one song that really stands out, though, is I Can't Dance. The moment that guitar riff starts, you'd be hard pressed to think it was Genesis. And that is what I suppose I'm getting at: what song of Genesis's would you present to someone who didn't normally like their stuff with the proposition of "Guess who this is?"
This was our webmasters attempt at The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway comparisons...
He is a qualified sound engineer.
Have a listen, decide for yourself
Thanks, Mark. That was truly illuminating. Hearing Mike's isolated bass was a real treat as well as how the different mixes treat different aspects of the song. True, Nick's remix really pushes Peter's voice right up and there are all sorts of subtleties in the vocals that I'd never heard on the previous mixes. That "wind" sound effect, though, is now practically non-existent and that's a great shame. Tony Banks oversaw the remixing of all the albums so I suppose we should blame him!
Wow! That's crazy talk Santana's one of my faves.
Good for you. We can't all like the same things, though. I love a lot of guitarists - McLaughlin, Zappa, Hendrix - just not Santana.
Anything featuring Santana will be good in my opinion
Personally I can't stand Santana but I've a hard time locating him on the tracks on this album and there were no liner notes with it. It's just a fifteen minute piece, quoting extracts from So What, In A Silent Way, Rated X and On The Corner amongst others.
I am deeply envious, Mark!
An incredible band. I've got all of their stuff up to Do They Hurt (after Phil left I wasn't that interested) including Peter And The Wolf and Marscape which, although credited to Jack Lancaster and Robin Lumley, is often recognised as the beginning of what would be Brand X.
Fellow Liverpudlian Percy Jones had a unique sound and was a big influence on the bass player with Indie band Stump. I think Phil and Percy played on some Brian Eno sessions in the early seventies if I'm not mistaken.
My favourite Brand X album would probably be Moroccan Roll. I recently played Sun In The Night to my wife and asked her to guess who was doing the sanscript vocals at the start. She said Jon Anderson!
My first Genesis concert was Hannover 1992, at the Niedersachsen Stadium. Santa had brought me the ticket, disguised as a ticket for a Heino* gig (cheeky Santa had a handwriting much like my brother's). I sat way up, way back, but I still enjoyed it. And I was so excited to see Genesis live! What I remember most vividly is hearing Home By The Sea for the very first time. And the jumbotron screens.
Your brother is Santa Claus?!
Home By The Sea was a real high point of that show. Genesis tried a few things on that tour - the proscenium arch over the stage to take away from what Phil called the "puppet theatre" look and the massive Jumbotron screens which moved from side-to-side and displayed some stunning graphics to go with the songs. Some of the attention was taken away from this, unfortunately, when U2 went out on tour around the same time with their Zoo TV thing. Of course, U2 were the critics' baby at the time so all the plaudits went to them while Genesis were unjustly overlooked.
I liked that when I was young. Re-read it recently, still like it - but differently. Do you think children today still can relate to the story? I wonder if their world has changed too much from Tom Sawyer's or Emil's (from Emil And The Detectives) or other children's stories for them to understand. ("So why don't Hansel and Gretel use the GPS on their mobile, daddy?").
I think children can relate to the story just fine. Young boys still muck about in rivers and get into fist-fights with their friends and try and get out of doing chores. The budding romance between Becky and Tom is not rooted in any specific era, either.
I suppose an incredibly stupid child may ask the question about why Hansel And Gretel don't use their GPS but most children are too scared witless by the notion of a cannibal witch to bother with such comments.
The world may change, but children don't.