Posts by StillCan'tDance

Quote from OneForTheVine

this is the one Genesis album as a three-piece where I wished Steve had been still with the band. Mike wasn't quite ready to be a lead guitarist yet

I agree. It seemed that they never even considered replacing Steve from outside the band, given how successful they'd been in consolidating the departure of Peter from within. Had Steve stayed for one more album, though, then Mike would still not have been ready to be the guitarist when Steve left (and Steve leaving the band was always on the cards, I think) so we would have had the same transitional album that And Then There Were Three was. The weakness of the album is a price worth paying for the sheer brilliance of what came after. Listen to Mike's playing on Duke, which is much more self-assured.

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https://burningshed.com/mario-…genesis-1967-to-1975_book

It would be this book.

Prog is a brilliant magazine. I have discovered a huge amount about this music since I started subscribing to it.

Thanks for the link. I like some bands who happen to have been labelled "progressive" but I feel that as a genre, prog rock was a spent force by the mid-seventies (although I do like Going For The One by Yes, which I think was released in '77) so I can't really call myself a fan of the genre as a whole. Which is why a magazine such as Prog would not really appeal to me (I remember buying a copy of it once, to read on a long car journey. All it did was just make the journey seem longer.).

He bought it from Jennifer Lopez.

Quote from CountingOutTime

They haven't had a hit because they don't want one. Phil, Peter and Mike became part of "the machine." They sought out fame and reaped the rewards

Okay. You keep telling yourself that.

Quote from Backdrifter

I wouldn't rule out Apocalypse/Eggs

I would. Unless Phil has been given a new set of vocal chords since the band last performed it on the Australian leg of the Invisible Touch tour.

Quote from WutheringNights76

for example "I Can't Dance" given that Mike heaps and lavishes an outpouring of praise upon that damned song every chance he gets!

Well, Mike does play a pivotal role in the song. It was also a big hit which took on a new lease of life onstage. And it was something of a breakthrough for the band, being totally unlike anything they'd done before. And it was from the last really successful studio album they recorded.

In a recent interview with the band, Tony revealed that Phil wrote the lyrics to Down And Out (Phil claimed not to remember) and Mike was asked if he based the guitar riff on Pretty Vacant by The Pistols (Mike claimed not to remember, too).

Quote from bromleybruce

I have it. Read it. Worth a shout. Lengthy feature on new Genesis book. Some photos that looked new to me.

Which new book? I don't buy Prog magazine. What is it? Seven quid? To read about Genesis and then a load of bands with names like Spock's Beard and Pendragon? No thanks very much!

Quote from CountingOutTime

I guess I'm saying that I don't like much of what turned Phil, Peter and Mike into radio darlings. There's no lofty preaching from this prog fan either, just my opinion. Everybody has one.

Well, no, not everyone has an opinion.

You clearly do and it's one that I disagree with. And you can call it however you want, but when you start singing the praises of artists who have never had a hit single versus those who have, as though the former have a greater level of integrity - which is exactly what you're saying - then what else is there to call it but "lofty preaching"?

Quote from thefarmer

We wrote and complained after , and were given tickets to Earls Court later on in the year. I think these days we would've had much more

Well, that's the compensation culture for you. Where there's blame there's a claim and all that.

Quote from CountingOutTime

...Ant and Steve...have generated tons more music than all the other past and present members of Genesis combined

Are you sure about that? I think you might want to check just how many musicians Phil has been involved with over the years.

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Hats off to Ant and Steve for NOT going commercial, and I'm sure this is why their solo careers were not mentioned in the film, even though the two of them have generated tons more music than all the other past and present members of Genesis combined. The "hits" Peter, Phil and Mike had were radio friendly and generated big bucks. The level of fame each member acquired seemed to be what the focus was on in the film. Diehard prog fans appreciate it when prog artists stay true to form. Shame the others turned a blind eye (or ear) to their early fans.

But Steve did go commercial with GTR and didn't he have a minor hit with one of the songs from Defector? The one that was used for that fishing programme in England, for which he would have received payment. Don't you think that's commercial? Selling your songs to tv companies to use them how they wish?

Look, the fact is, as soon as a musician starts making records, they're in the game and they're as commercial as anyone else.

With respect, I can't stand the lofty preaching from so called die-hard prog fans who scream sell-out the moment they hear a song on the radio. The greatest band to have ever existed is The Beatles. And they were all over the radio like beans on toast back in the day.

Quote from thefarmer

He has made more albums than the rest of them both exploring different styles

Quality trumps quantity every time. I understand how Hackett and his fans might have felt short-changed but let's face it, at the point when Genesis weren't sure if they would be able to carry on having lost their singer, frontman and major writer (along with Tony) Steve saved himself and made a solo record. From that point on, it was clear where his priorities lay so let's not raise the guy up above the others as though he's the saviour of the band's so-called progressive era. He's just milking his time in the band to the point of embarrassment.

Quote from genesis1964

Yes I have seen many Springsteen shows over the years and one of things I love about him is the change of set lists from one night to another. He will keep a core of about 60% of the same songs but then play different songs each show. Often the audience will be holding posters up with a song they want him to sing and even if it is not on the play list he will often play it. You never know what you are going to get!!

There's some great footage on YouTube of him playing Chuck Berry's You Never Can Tell by request at a concert, with Bruce and Little Steven working out the best key to play it in. The subsequent performance always makes me smile.

Quote from Shipwrecked94

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I'm sorry if you misunderstood what I meant when I was talking about the songs that I would like to hear on the 2020 tour. Since I am Swiss and speak French, all the messages I send on this forum, I write them in French and translate them into English by google. So I'm probably making grammatical mistakes and overly literal translations that are confusing, excuse me.



What I meant to say is that since Phil Collins is the lead singer the priority will definitely be on songs he used to sing, it would be amazing if he sang a lot of songs from the 'Gabriel era that he is not used to singing (if there are songs before 1976 it will be I think in the Cage, Carpet Crawlers, extracts from musical box or supper's ready).



Then, I note that since 1983 genesis has taken the habit of singing at each concert all its most recent hits and keeping them each time for the next tour, and Land Of Confusion, Invisible Touch, Mama, Domino, Home By The Sea, Turn it On Again, We Can't Dance, No Son Of Mine and Throwing it All Away have become essentials of all concerts for almost 30 years (since their creation, these songs have appeared at each concert) , so I expect to hear them anyway in 2020, because these are the songs Phil is used to singing, which will make his job easier given his age and current health. that the public (except fans of the 70s only) appreciate and which have become almost cult, apparently according to Phil who seems very proud of these 80s titles.



I expect some surprises, older songs they will rework, they will probably be titles from the albums A Trick Of The Tail, Wind And Wuthering and And Then There Were Three, I am delighted to see which ones.



There are also moments expected from fans, who have become the hallmark of Phil era concerts, which we will certainly find at this all inclusive (Los Endos with the percussion duo, the medley In The Cage / Afterglow where Rutherford plays guitar with two necks, I Know What I Like with the performance of Phil on a tambourine, Turn It On Again as final with a medley (present in 1983, 1987, 1992, and probably this year (in 2007 it was the exception because Turn It On again was the title and common thread of the tour, in 2020 it is not the case).

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Sorry that I called you an idiot in that case. I didn't know that the post you quoted (now deleted) was actually yours.

Quote from pcontos

It was said to be originally leaked by Alan Hewitt so it is assumed to be pretty authentic. I don't know if Mark Bataitis would like to comment on that further as he may know more about it.

In respect of both fans, neither of them is connected to the band and wouldn't have access to that kind of information.

Quote from Backdrifter

Is Going Out To Get You the one with the preposterous lyrics including "licking fingers sunk in jam"?

The very same.

Quote from Shipwrecked94

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During the 2007 tour, the accent was put on the rediscovery of the album Invisible Touch and on the hits of Genesis, keen to make a retrospective setlist of the whole career of the group. it would be interesting if they left this time Throwing It All Away, Tonight Tonight and this kind of songs (very good but already played a lot and available on 3 different DVDs) to give a chance to less known titles or not replayed since long time. That's all and Jesus he knows was for me the big ones missing from the 2007 setlist, I hope to see these two songs in the setlists. It might be nice to hear one of Duke's ballads live once (Alone Again, Heathhaze or Please Don't Ask), and after Ripples' return in 2007, why not Burning Rope in 2020?

Regarding the 80s repertoire, I am amazed that Silver Rainbow, my favorite song from the album Mama and in my opinion the best on the record has ever been sung. I would also see a return of Illegal Alien to change Land Of Confusion or I can't dance in the barred but great titles category.

It would be nice if they sang anything She Does once (the only song from my favorite album unless I ever heard it live). As for Calling All Stations, I would love to hear Phil sing Congo and Shipwrecked, his particular timbre would transform these songs into real pop-prog nuggets, putting them on an equal footing with the hits of 1987 and 1991. To change Home By The Sea, already very much highlighted (present on 4 DVDs) I would like very much that they sing the Dividing Line, in my opinion the best sequel of the post-Duke era, this title is a Domino in 1000 times better, a Home By The Sea power 4, and with Phil at the microphone Dividing Line would be 10 minutes of pure happiness, it would transcend the lyrics worn by the inflated rutjerford statocaster and Banks' roaring keyboards.

On the side of We Can 'Dance, I was surprised that in 1991 Dreaming While You Sleep (one of the titles that I like least of all the Collins period) was put forward while it is not very melodic and instrumentally poor, while this disc contains, in addition to No Son and Hold On My Heart, magnificent songs never interpreted: Never A Time, Tell Me Why and Livin Forever, I would love to hear one of these 3 titles live.

The songs I'm 100% sure to see in the 2020 setlist are Land Of Confusion, No Son Of Mine, Invisible Touch, Tonight Tonight Tonight, I Can't Dance and Domino, which this time could be the song of opening of the concert.

I think there will most likely be Mama (although absent in 1992), Turn It On Again and Los Endos, and Home By The Sea (Unfortunately still this good title but heard a lot, I would prefer The Dividing Line or Fading Lights ).

If Apocalypse intervenes, it will probably be in the context of a Medley and in instrumental form, I can hardly see this theatrical title appearing in the middle of nowhere, out of the Gabriel context. Blood On The Rooftops would be great on stage, it would be a bit of an echo to Ripples in 2007 in the rediscovered category of pre-Duke titles. It would be interesting to see who will play which guitar part (maybe Stuermer on the electrified nylon guitar or programmed Variax, and Rutherford with the double neck guitar?).

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Whoever wrote this is an idiot.

Quote from The_Genesis_Archive

So aside from trying to get us to share something like the BASF reel, you ignored the other part of the post.

TGA

I didn't ignore anything at all.

Quote from Wayne

I’ve just had the opportunity to watch the dvd section of the 1970-75 Lamb disc, amazing how much Tony Banks seems to not rate the album that highly?, I wonder if he has changed his opinion of it since then?. Most fans would rate it as their best work I would guess?. A great watch. I do hope they one day re issue these boxes, seems to me a no brainer and would be a good seller now the equipment to play it on has decreased in price, I remember SACD was quite a niche product and expensive when it came out, which for the most part it still is with regard to audiophile labels.

Same thing happened with Minidisc; it didn't take on with the public and died a death. Now, the format is only used by professional performers in the entertainment industry and not by Joe Public, for whom it was originally intended.

As for Tony and The Lamb, I think he gets very attached to how things were at the time and doesn't seem to move on from that. Both he and Peter were the main lyricists in Genesis back then and he begrudged Peter taking on the sole writing for The Lamb. Perhaps that has coloured his view of the concept as a whole, which he sees as flawed and wilfully obscure. Phil, on the other hand, sees the album as a fertile writing time for the band, when every time they sat down to jam, something good came out of it - but then, Phil didn't have a vested interest in being a lyric writer at the time so he wasn't too bothered who wrote the songs.