Posts by choccy

  • Re-arrange Genesis albums

    Quote from Fabrizio

    I can't speak for others but my dislike for that song is really not determined by where it was placed on the album or when it was released as a single. You are perhaps right in saying that something like LOC would have probably been a less bitter pill to swallow but I would still find IT abysmal. I found it bad at that time, I find it even worse today.

    IT for me is the 2nd worst song on the album after Anything She Does.


    But it is a great Song for radio back then and it's got the energy that made it popular.

  • Re-arrange Genesis albums


    I think with this album, even "Domino" would have been a strong Album Name

  • Your favorite tracks on ... "Invisible Touch"

    Quote from DecomposingMan

    Actually, in my opinion, ASD ranks pretty high among the tracks on IT. I think it helps that it's the only one that there isn't at least one official live version of!

    Apparently, Tony said it was too difficult to play live, hence they left it out.


    Given, the nature of the song, it wouldn't really have stood well in time I guess, a bit like Illegal Alien

  • We Can't Dance reimagined

    Quote from Harold Demure

    I don't mind it either, it's pleasant enough. Tony's not a fan though judging by interviews

    It wasn't really a Genesis song so much as, Phil wanting to do a tribute to Eric, but had no solo album at the time to work on so maybe why Tony isn't fond of it.


    Even more ironic Phil told Clapton, his own tribute song wasn't very good and was one of the biggest songs of the time.


    I think even then, Phil was possibly struggling to be within the band environment & his personal choices during the tour, future solo albums showed the quality & inspiration was waning, until he started doing the musicals & big band projects.

  • Your favorite GENESIS studio albums (pick three)

    Quote from Fabrizio

    Thinking about it, i think this what I resent the most about Genesis' new course in the 80' and the 90'. It's not the change per se but how sketchy the quality of the albums became. From 1970 to 1980, with the exception of half of ATTW3, they produced really solid albums. There was always the occasional filler but overall the material was great. Starting from Abacab, there are good songs but no great albums, subjectively, of course. The exception would be Invisible Touch which is a hits machine and truly a homogenous album, but I have no problem admitting that it isn't really my cup of tea. Anyway, Mama alone is enough to make me rate Shapes higher than other ''new '' albums. It's the one song I'm sure Phil dreaded singing but simply had to. You can't leave that one out.

    I kinda agree re Shapes album.


    Mama and Home by the Sea are on another level with That's All behind it.


    Silver Rainbow is okay, the rest is not of a good enough standard especially when you look at IT and even WCD afterwards.

  • Your favorite GENESIS studio albums (pick three)

    Problem with this album is Side A is awesome and side B is average really.


    I think the fact the album is like 2 lines or one paragraph in Phils Autobiography says it all.


    Some amazing work followed by b sides makes it struggle as a top album.


    Invisible Touch clearly had more TLC given to it in comparison.

  • Things you've only recently noticed

    Quote from thewatcher

    I never knew this about the mechanics singers but it's not surprising I suppose. I'll always be down on how they ended (I think they should have followed up cas) but I am glad neither mechanics singers got the gig. It would have been two of the mechanics + Tony, and given Tony's singular lack of solo success it would have been an odd set up I think.


    Come to think of it, I wonder if Mike and Tony had a difference of opinion about the new singer (such as Mike wanting a Paul), and whether that played into Mike's decision not to continue when Ray and Tony would have. None of my beeswax I know but another angle to ponder.

    It is funny how Originally Tony was initially wondering whether to continue Genesis after Phil Left but Mike was all for it and then it was Mike after Calling All Stations, lost the appetite for it.


    I deffiently think they hurt themselves by ditching Chester and Darryl and bringing in session band members.


    It became deffiently less Genesis at that point.

  • MIKE + THE MECHANICS - Refueled! Tour 2023

    Quote from Duke of Earl of Mar

    Don't forget it's recorded with a mobile phone. Everything sounds a bit muffled here. Tim got a lot of criticism on his singing, based on that video. But those who were there claimed they sounded great.

    For the solo part, I tend to favor his "more relaxed" approach he has compared to Daryl (and I like Daryl too - but the same goes with Firth of Fifth back in 1998, also because of the improvisation that was different every night).

    I've read on Facebook that Anto apparently played a bit of Firth of Fifth (possibly during the Word of Mouth extended ending at the end of the concert). Nice ! I would like to see that.


    Not sure why audio should be a problem thesedays unless they are using a really bad mobile?


    I shot a bit of Genesis Tour on my mobile and it sounds better than a lot of the YouTube postings from others.


    If someone is singing bad, it will sound bad, so maybe he was having a bad day.

  • Things you've only recently noticed

    Not something I've really noticed, but the other day I was thinking about Phil leaving the band, only to carry on working on Genesis projects just a few years later (before the 2007 tour) and I thought, in hindsight, Tony and Mike could simply have stopped with Genesis when Phil quit and simply worked together under the Mechanics brand, leaving Genesis on a high and no doubt ready for reunions down the road.


    It would perhaps made more sense had it been done this way ultimately and maybe having Wilson as a singer with the Mechanics, given him less criticism and comparison to Phil.

  • The Last Domino? Setlist - your favorites?

    Interesting bit of info from Mike's BBC interview yesterday, was that the Acoustic Medley was his idea and Tony & Phil were not keen on it originally.


    He also said he will be doing the same thing on the Mechanics tour with other Genesis songs.