Posts by Dr. John

    Welcome to the forum danielbravo!


    I agree that it is totally fine for an artist to be choosy about what gets released. If they are not comfortable with it, then they don't need to release it. I also agree that there is a fair bit of stuff being released that might satisfy curiosity for one or two listens, but does not maintain interest over the long term. It's the sort of stuff that might be nice to have available for streaming or download, but is not essential for a box set or something more formal.


    What is unclear to me is whether the lack of any other material being released is due to the band actively not wanting it released or simply not caring about getting it out to the public. Are the outtakes for Seconds Out really poor and they would be embarrassed to release them? Or is the band simply not that interested in figuring out if there are any outtakes worth adding on to some kind of Seconds Out deluxe edition?

    Anyway, another chunk of aural brie came to mind: Islands In The Stream by Dolly Parton/Kenny Rogers. Although maybe that one is more schmaltzy than cheesy?

    I think of schmaltzy as being sappy and overly sentimental. I think of songs like You Light Up My Life by Debbie Boone or Feelings by Morris Albert. Or anything by Air Supply.

    But Paradise By The Dashboard Light isn't meant to be taken seriously. It's funny. It's meant to be over the top.

    I get that it is supposed to be humourous. But the humour is so obvious that it is not funny and just makes the song even cheesier.


    Cheesiness does not mean I end up hating a song. Rasputin by Boney M is pretty cheesy to me and yet kinda irresistible at the same time.

    I few skippable tracks don't mar an album for me that much. I like Ignoreland, although I agree about skipping the other two. I quite like Shiny Happy People. The lyrics are supposed to sound dumb as they are a parody of government propaganda and the music is great pop.

    Last week I saw Elvis Costello at Toronto's Massey Hall. It was a great gig. He was backed up by The Imposters, who are two-thirds of the Attractions (Steve Nieve on keyboards and Pete Thomas on drums) plus Charlie Sexton on guitar and Davey Faragher on bass. The setlist was a nice mix of classics plus a selection from recent albums, all performed with lots of verve and enthusiasm. He engaged very well with the crowd, telling stories and chatting with the crowd. New Jersey singer Nicole Atkins joined him for 4 songs, trading lead vocals and providing sweet harmonies. The opening set by Nick Lowe was also excellent and then Nick joined Elvis for a couple of songs, including (fittingly since Nick Lowe wrote it) What's So Funny About Peace, Love, and Understanding. Having front row seats also didn't hurt the experience.


    Here is someone else's video from the show:

    I interpret cheesy to imply that something is very overtly of bad quality and in bad taste. There is usually something bordering on cringe-y about a cheesy song, most often in the lyrics or in the overall premise. However the music can also be cheesy, usually by being overly dramatic and hackneyed.


    One example for me is much of Meatloaf's Bat Out of Hell album, particularly Paradise By the Dashboard Light.

    I too am suffering the regrets of who got left off my first list, so here is another 31:

    1. Jann Arden - Could I Be Your Girl
    2. The Bangles - Hero Takes a Fall
    3. Blondie - Hanging On the Telephone
    4. Mary Chapin Carpenter - John Doe No. 24
    5. Patsy Cline - Three Cigarettes In an Ashtray
    6. Holly Cole Trio - Purple Avenue
    7. Shawn Colvin - Diamond In the Rough
    8. Elastica - Stutter
    9. Eurythmics - Baby's Coming Back
    10. Betty Everett - It's In His Kiss
    11. Dionne Farris - I Know
    12. Feist - Mushaboom
    13. Janis Joplin - Me and Bobby McGee
    14. Carole King - Smackwater Jack
    15. Alison Krauss - Down To the River to Pray
    16. k d lang - Shadowland
    17. Lisa Loeb - Waiting For Wednesday
    18. Nellie McKay - The Dog Song
    19. Janelle Monae - Cold War
    20. Mae Moore - Pleasure Grounds
    21. Mary Margaret O'Hara - Body's In Trouble
    22. The Pretenders - Middle of the Road
    23. Propellerheads - History Repeating
    24. Linda Ronstadt - You're No Good
    25. Sade - Is It a Crime
    26. Judee Sill - Soldier of the Heart
    27. Nina Simone - To Be Young, Gifted and Black
    28. Sarah Slean - Day One
    29. The Sugarcubes - Birthday
    30. Ike and Tina Turner - River Deep, Mountain High
    31. Lucinda Williams - Car Wheels On a Gravel Road

    has anyone been to Solsbury Hill, Is it as magical as the lyrics suggest ?


    Going to Cardiff next month and didn't realise its not far from there

    Haven't been. You'll have to tell us if you can see the city lights, what the wind was like, and if you saw an eagle...

    OK, I'll try to come up with a female voices list. I'm doing this at lunch break at work, so I'll probably overlook some artists in my collection.


    1. Tori Amos - Ribbons Undone
    2. The B-52s - Deadbeat Club
    3. Jonatha Brooke - Crumbs
    4. Buckingham Nicks - Crying In the Night
    5. Kate Bush - The Morning Fog
    6. The [Dixie] Chicks - White Trash Wedding
    7. Cocteau Twins - Iceblink Luck
    8. Crash Vegas - On and On (Lodestar)
    9. Dalbello - Gonna Get Close to You
    10. Ani DiFranco - Imperfectly
    11. Echobelly - Dark Therapy
    12. Emm Gryner - Stereochrome
    13. Aretha Franklin - Mary Don't You Weep
    14. Indigo Girls - Galileo
    15. Aimee Mann - Could've Been Anyone
    16. Martha and the Vandellas - Dancing In the Street
    17. Kate and Anna McGarrigle - NaCl
    18. Maria McKee - Breathe
    19. Sarah McLachlan - Mercy
    20. Milla - The Gentleman Who Fell
    21. Joni Mitchell - Conversation
    22. The New Pornographers - Mass Romantic
    23. Sinead O'Connor - Troy
    24. Dolly Parton - The Grass Is Blue
    25. The Roches - Ing
    26. Jane Siberry - The Walking (and Constantly)
    27. Richard and Linda Thompson - Dimming of the Day
    28. Weeping Tile - Dogs and Thunder
    29. Gillian Welch - Tear My Stillhouse Down
    30. Amy Winehouse - Rehab
    31. Suzanne Vega - Book of Dreams

    And I have already run out of numbers! So many others that should be mentioned.

    Her voice on this song with its tricky melody line is like a bird soaring, swooping and diving in the air. It was one of the first ones I thought of including.

    I also really love her album Heart Food. Some gorgeous stuff on that too.

    I first saw LG as part of Simple Minds touring band then bought Happiness on impulse and didn't regret it. This is the standout track for me and one of my favourite songs of the 90s. Your "off-kilter" kind of applies to this one as everything sounds at cross-purposes but in a way that creates an implied drone, then you get those little rising sequences of skewed organ that sound quite Banksian. I love how it all hangs together.


    You're the only other person I'm aware of who's got or at least heard that album!

    I also recommend her first album On the Way Down From the Moon Palace if you haven't already heard it.

    I'm assuming we're skipping decades before the 50s because we are focusing on rock music? I like a fair bit of jazz/pop from the 40s and even the 30s, including musicals.


    If I were to pick a decade, it would be the 70s. This is simply because many of my favourite artists had peak output during this decade. Although I was born in 1968, I'm not sure it had anything to do with it as I did not start listening to pop and rock until the 80s.


    If I were to rank the decades, it would be something like 70s > 60s > 80s > 90s > 50s > 10s > 00s.

    I meant among others about songs for example Living Forever or Do The Neurothic, which were played during rehearsals, but not at concerts :) To this day, we do not know if the songs that were not played at concerts were also practiced on other tours - that's what I meant. :) I just wish the band would release it sometime. :) I see the chance on average, but you can always try. :) Let's not pursue this topic anymore - let's be happy about this video in Hannover because it's really great. :)

    While I think hearing rehearsals would be cool, I think it is far less likely to see such releases. More likely would be great live performances that are unreleased and as has been mentioned, the band and management don't seem interested in pursuing even this further. Nonetheless, there is lots of stuff already available and we can't have everything.

    I think that if it is hard to get them to release existing multitrack concerts and soundboard tapes, it might be even harder to get them to release rehearsal tapes. They don't have a lot of interest in mining their history now.


    That said, they did release that one-camera video of a Mama tour rehearsal, which I found fascinating. So one can always hope.

    I think the other possible issue is that many of the artists that Genesis members admired and admitted as influences were very different than the music the band was itself creating. Imagine a set with The Musical Box, then a version of Marvin Gaye's Ain't That Peculiar, then Watcher of the Skies, then a cover of The Beach Boys' God Only Knows, etc. While I might have enjoyed it, it might have thrown much of their audience at the time.

    Thanks for the info. I will investigate further.