Posts by Dr. John

    I was really just curious to hear peoples perspective as to why they think the band might not want to play songs from this album.

    I think there were 3 major factors affecting the song choices. Firstly they had to be songs that they liked to play. That does not necessarily match what we on this forum most want to hear. Secondly they wanted to cover songs that they felt the attendees would enjoy. This always involves a balance of their popular songs, which is what the majority of the crowd wants, and the older songs, which is what a vocal minority wants. Thirdly, they had to take into account Phil's current limitations, both as a vocalist and because he can't drum. So they limited songs that have long instrumentals (I was a bit surprised they kept Firth of Fifth) and likely never considered or quickly got rid of songs Phil can no longer sing, regardless of the key.

    I don't think the members of Genesis are particularly concerned about generating more sales of their catalogue. And if they wanted to play live a bit more, they could have simply extended this recent tour to additional countries and cities. I'm guessing they would far more enjoy play to an audience of fans than a undifferentiated festival crowd.

    My list would be hundreds of songs long. I will leave out Genesis and their (ex-)members solo since those lists could go in other sections in the forum. I will divide this up into two lists of 20: one for major or well-known artists and one for lesser-known ones. Both lists are in no particular order


    Well-known artists:

    1. Baba O'Riley - The Who
    2. Superstition - Stevie Wonder
    3. Here Comes the Sun - The Beatles
    4. Pride - U2
    5. The Morning Fog - Kate Bush
    6. Good Vibrations - The Beach Boys
    7. Acadian Driftwood - The Band
    8. Respect - Aretha Franklin
    9. Closer to Fine - Indigo Girls
    10. Deadbeat Club - The B-52s
    11. Papa Was a Rolling Stone - The Temptations
    12. Jungleland - Bruce Springsteen
    13. Little Red Corvette - Prince
    14. Never Going Back Again - Fleetwood Mac
    15. The Boys of Summer - Don Henley
    16. Gimme Shelter - The Rolling Stones
    17. Dancing Queen - ABBA
    18. When the Levee Breaks - Led Zeppelin
    19. St. Dominic's Preview - Van Morrison
    20. Every Breath You Take - The Police


    Lesser-known artists:

    1. Iceblink Luck - Cocteau Twins
    2. Gentleman Who Fell - Milla
    3. Mass Romantic - The New Pornographers
    4. Could've Been Anyone - Aimee Mann
    5. Book of Dreams - Suzanne Vega
    6. Stereochrome - Emm Gryner
    7. There She Goes - The La's
    8. Harbour Lights - Bruce Hornsby
    9. Waiting for Wednesday - Lisa Loeb
    10. On the Way Down From the Moon Palace - Lisa Germano
    11. Wall of Death - Richard and Linda Thompson
    12. Hasn't Hit Me Yet - Blue Rodeo
    13. Little Blue River - The Bears
    14. The Walking (and Constantly) - Jane Siberry
    15. The King Is Half Undressed - Jellyfish
    16. Hide and Seek - Imogen Heap
    17. Half Way Home - Brian Kennedy
    18. In the Road - Weeping Tile
    19. Kiss From a Rose - Seal
    20. Money City Maniacs - Sloan

    Liking every song on an album is relatively infrequent for me. I can still consider an album a favourite even with one or two skippable songs. I can actually prefer an album with skippable songs over one with no skippable songs, simply because the great songs on an "imperfect" album far outweigh any deficits. There is no Genesis album that I consider perfect. I'll skip The Battle of Epping Forest and usually After the Ordeal on SEBTP. I skip the title track on ATOTT. I skip One for the Vine on W&W. The Lamb comes closest, but I'll admit skipping The Waiting Room, Ravine, and In the Rapids.


    Here are some albums where I like every song:


    Little Earthquakes - Tori Amos

    The Band - The Band

    The Last Waltz - The Band

    Revolver - The Beatles

    Running on Empty - Jackson Browne

    Hounds of Love - Kate Bush

    Woodface - Crowded House

    Highway 61 Revisited - Bob Dylan

    Hotel California - The Eagles

    Rumours - Fleetwood Mac

    Amazing Grace - Aretha Franklin

    Peter Gabriel (Melt) - Peter Gabriel

    So - Peter Gabriel

    The Original Leap Year - Emm Gryner

    Spilt Milk - Jellyfish

    Live at the Regal - B.B. King

    Led Zeppelin I - Led Zeppelin

    Led Zeppelin IV - Led Zeppelin

    Whatever - Aimee Mann

    Solace - Sarah McLachlan

    Blue - Joni Mitchell

    Moondance - Van Morrison

    Mass Romantic - The New Pornographers

    Will the Circle Be Unbroken - The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band

    Will the Circle Be Unbroken II - The Nitty Gritty Dirt Band

    What's the Story Morning Glory - Oasis

    Wish You Were Here - Pink Floyd

    Purple Rain - Prince

    Lifes Rich Pageant - REM

    Let It Bleed - The Rolling Stones

    Born to Run - Bruce Springsteen

    Every Picture Tells a Story - Rod Stewart

    Masseduction - St. Vincent

    Stop Making Sense - Talking Heads

    Songs From the Big Chair - Tears for Fears

    I Want to See the Bright Lights Tonight - Richard and Linda Thompson

    Suzanne Vega - Suzanne Vega

    Live at Leeds - The Who

    Who's Next - The Who

    Quadrophenia - The Who

    Innervisions - Stevie Wonder

    He could mean that someone will do arrangements of Genesis songs for classical instruments, which could have potential, with or without vocals. Gabriel's New Blood worked quite well, at least for some songs.

    At the time the big draw of the sets were the surround mixes, but I'm a little surprised they weren't all that popular. I'm just glad that the missing songs were offered up at all. There were a lot of bonuses both big and small that came about through Nick's attention in the old forum that made the boxes better than they might have turned out.

    I like having the stereo versions so I can listen to these songs wherever I don't have access to a player for the surround mixes.

    Agree about Duchess on The Last Domino tour and Ripples on the 2007 tour.

    Back in NYC on the Duke tour.

    In That Quiet Earth (in full) on the IT tour.

    Inside and Out on the Wind and Wuthering tour


    There are also songs that are not favourites and I am surprised they played them live:


    All In a Mouse's Night

    Say It's Alright Joe

    Me and Virgil

    Like It or Not

    I can understand not releasing the boxes themselves, as that would likely be a more costly production run. There is probably a minimum the would have to do and they might be unsure if that minimum would sell.


    But what about just making them available for download, with the booklets also downloadable? Wouldn't that be cheaper? I vaguely remember being able to download the extra songs from the Rainbow concert that didn't fit on the CD.

    Duchess for a few reasons. Firstly there is the poignancy of the lyrics, particularly the last verse given how Phil is doing ("Things weren't so easy now, all uphill, not feeling so strong...") and the last chorus reflecting back to the glory days. Secondly they played it very well, from the atmospheric quieter sections to the powerful sung sections. Thirdly it was my first time hearing this song live at a concert.

    I think it is fairly hit and miss about artists getting recorded live during the early 70s. You would think a band like The Who would have lots of recordings after they released Who's Next, but I know of only one properly recorded gig from that tour (of which only bits and pieces have been released) and also essentially nothing from the 1972 shows.


    To properly record a gig at the time usually involved a mobile studio, which might not be what the band or the label could or was willing to invest in during the early years of their career.


    I think Genesis is pretty well represented in terms of live recordings from the earlier years. We have Genesis Live from the Foxtrot tour, the Rainbow gig from the Selling England tour, and the Lamb show. Admittedly there are missing songs and some rerecording that limits these releases. Still one song per tour for the last 3 albums with Gabriel is decent compared to other bands at a similar level of popularity at the time.

    I also don't feel the need to change the forum name. The name Turn It On Again could be interpreted in different ways, regardless of whether the band is still active. I've always thought of the forum title more in the sense of it is always possible to turn their music on again and still experience it anew, whether you are a veteran fan or a first time listener.


    I get that Afterglow or perhaps Fading Lights would be apropos in terms of the band ending, but do we really need to have a downer of a forum title?

    Well, Genesis DID authorize a PBS documentary about the making of the tour, featuring early rehearsals when Phil was really struggling. (and that official DVD can be ordered during the PBS pledge drives).


    If Genesis were so concerned about how they currently appear, they would never allow that special to see the light of day.


    If they're okay with that documentary out there, "preserved for the fans"... then I see no reason why they can't release a video of a full finished show from this tour.


    It's obviously not about concerns regarding the quality of the performance.

    I disagree about these points. There is a big difference between a tour documentary and a concert tour performance release.


    The focus of a tour documentary is about how the band works together and how the tour is put together, it is not just on the final performances. Sure some excerpts are shown, but they can then pick and choose parts that went well. Or they can show bits that weren't working in rehearsal as they did in Come Rain or Shine. That fits well with the story of a tour coming together. The context makes all the difference.


    A video release of the actual tour performance - either a single concert or a compilation - focuses only on the quality of the performances. So it makes sense that some artists will care if they think the performances are up to snuff for this kind of scrutiny.


    I obviously don't know what Genesis was actually thinking about this. I'm just guessing that they might not have felt that this is the tour to preserve for posterity as a live performance, which is not incompatible with allowing sections of rehearsals and performances to show up in a tour documentary.

    Aside from being a planned last tour, the R40 tour is very different from The Last Domino. As Rael mentioned above, Rush was still performing at a high level and so filming and releasing the show makes a lot of sense. When The Band quit performing in 1976, they similarly were doing so at a high level and we have the magic of The Last Waltz as a result. Genesis are performing OK, but nowhere near their previous level. So why would they want to preserve it for the fans? The fans can watch previous really amazing performances instead.


    As much as it was lovely to hear Duchess this tour, if I want to hear/watch a live performance repeatedly I'll always go back to 3 Sides Live or the Duke tour videos. As much as it was poignant to hear a couple of verses of Fading Lights on this tour, nothing beats watching and listening to Tony, Mike, and Phil as a trio performing the whole thing from the The Way We Walk tour.