Thanks for everything indeed.
Based on interviews over the years, and comments since he died, it seems unlikely the Genesis that we love would have happened in the way it did without him.
I think we owe him a lot.
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As far as I'm concerned Phil doesn't have to release another note of music. He's already given us so much.
The news, which I read to be pretty positive, is very welcome.
At this stage I just hope he is doing ok and is happy. I hope he realises how loved he is.
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Judging by the sound of his voice I am presuming this is an acoustic version/demo from about the time of the album?
Whatever it is, I like it, thanks.
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11 points
I have mixed feelings. It's a very bizarre track and it somehow connects to earlier Genesis stuff and at the same time, it doesn't. Nevertheless, I really liked the version he played in 2007.
I agree with all of that. Except I don't have mixed feelings about it!
I gave it 11, only because 14s/15s are reserved for the absolute stone cold classic.
This album alone has Solsbury Hill, Humdrum and HCTF
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I listened to this album just the other day, and I still love it. I can't imagine how fans felt when it was released, considering it came after the Lamb. I'd be interested to know.
I like this track a lot, and I think it sets out PG's stall for the next few years at least. Musical, a bit odd, maybe even slightly dark.
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You are not alone!
It was the last album I bought as a fan, apart from the opener and closer, it does nothing for me, not news, I've said it before. (I taped a copy of IT, which didn't encourage me to restart.
Lyrically weak, and I'm not getting a country vibe at all, (but then I'm a Nanci Griffith fan, so that box is ticked already).
I've given it 3, and I umm'd and Arghed over that, cos 2 was calling to me!
Looks like it's me and you that are in the 3 club!
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IMO, one of the worst songs on one of the band's worst albums.
This is was the first album I bought actually as a fan, and I spent ages trying to convince myself that I really liked it. But I don't...
I get that it's a catchy, jaunty little number but that's the most positive thing I can say about it
It would appear that most people disagree with me, at least so far in the poll....
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She got a five star review for her show in Dublin from the Irish Times. Think I'm going to have to borrow a couple of my daughter's CDs. Also, she's 34?! Just incredible.
Ok, I could go on at length about this. But I would probably recommend Folklore, Evermore, and the Tortured Poets department to someone starting out.
Folklore was my gateway drug.
I know this is a "last gig" thread, but in my opinion, when some of the mega-hype and mega-fame dies down a bit, she will be re-evaluated and many more people will realise what an incredible songwriter/artist she is.
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Seems you are the only Genesis person to attend an Eras gig!
Thanks, that's really interesting. It sent me on a trawl on the internet and I found this interview, during the release of her "1989" album.
Are there new musical influences here? Some music reviewers have been mentioning the influence of Lorde or Lana Del Rey or maybe Robyn in some of your songs. What do you hear?
I hear Peter Gabriel and I hear Annie Lennox. Those were the two artists that I was listening to a lot when I was making this record. What Annie does is so interesting to me, and it's not something you could ever try to duplicate. But the way she conveys a thought, there's something really intense about it. And I think that's something I'll always aspire to.
And what about Peter Gabriel?
With Peter, that's an artist who has such incredible taste and such an incredible finger on the pulse of what would excite people, musically. What he was doing in the '80s was so ahead of its time, because he was playing with a lot of synth-pop sounds, but kind of creating sort of an atmosphere behind what he was singing, rather than a produced track. It was just kind of astonishing how he was able to do that. And then you see him in his later work, when he did that album full of modern-day covers. I mean, I just think that he's remarkable at giving people what they want, but they didn't think they wanted.
I'm happy to see 2 of my favourite artists coming together in that way.
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Puzzles me why Time Table gets a lot of criticism, it's head and shoulders above this meandering, unfocused effort. 5.
Off topic, but TT is great!
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This is quite possibly my favourite track on the album (Yes, I know...).
Maybe I've just heard TMB too many times, who can say.
I was so pleased when The Musical Box (the band!) played this a couple of years ago.
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My last gig was Taylor Swift in Liverpool, 3 days ago.
I can post a description if anyone is interested...
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Ok, that's interesting.
I thought the findings might be a bit closer than they are.
For what it's worth, I much prefer the studio version. To me, the studio version has a nice groove, and a lovely "jangle" about it, that the live version doesn't have.
I've always thought the SO version felt rushed, and that the groove was missing to some extent. Having said that I'm still sad I never got to see them do it live - my first show was 1981.
I got the idea for this because some of the Tabletop Genesis team thought it was a strong opener to the album, and I think exactly the opposite. (love TG by the way, if they're listening!)
I feel that way about all of side 1, but that's for another day!
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Hello everyone.
I have been listening to the Tabletop Genesis podcast again recently, and they were reviewing Seconds Out.
I think it's fascinating the range of opinions we get in this forum, so I wanted to start a new conversation, purely for a bit of fun.
The idea is obvious - which songs were better live than on the album? Of course, it's an extremely personal choice but it will be interesting to see what people think.
For the live versions I will probably just use the main live albums, but on occasion I might include specific other live versions (Archive, the odd live recording etc).
I'm starting it off with Squonk.
I have my own strong opinion about this one which I'll post later, but let's see what the general consensus is...
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This post by DecomposingMan says Misunderstanding is on the list of Genesis songs with live versions worse than the original. I wondered what else might be on that list. For me, the 3SL version of M&SJ - a song I love on the album - is on that list too.
Any other suggestions?
Ha. Funny you should mention that.
I am about to start a conversation about that very thing. I will probably do one song at a time, so we can debate which song is "better" live, or not.
It's just a bit of fun.
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I wasn't aware of Racing Minds, just looked them up. But I can't see any listing for them on the Fringe website, although there are still more shows to be added in the next week or so.
Re rentals: the short-term let system was up in the air when I last checked due to the Council's draconian approach which has left many property owners withdrawing due to uncertainty over licensing. When booking for this year I was told by some rental businesses to leave it for the time being until licences have been sorted, as I'd risk booking with a property that fails to gain a licence and I'd be left rental-less. As I prefer to get it sorted 10-12 months in advance I managed to find a nice looking family-run hotel off London Road that was amazingly well-priced - well, comparatively speaking. It's well reviewed so fingers crossed. I've always rented apartments until now; staying in a hotel will be a first for me.
For the first night I'm in one of the student rooms off Leith Walk. If you don't mind "slumming" it a bit (the rooms are basic but okay) it's a very cheap option. If the rental market doesn't stabilise I'm tempted to book a longer stay in a student room and put up with it on the basis that I'm usually out all day at productions so I'm only in the room morning and night and asleep in between!
HI, it's this...
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In looking through possible Edinburgh Fringe shows I've come across a couple that are wholly or partly improvised based on audience input.
Others I'm interested in include Attila The Stockbroker is performing this year, anyone remember him? He's doing a show about early forms of music, incorporating early instruments. Also, a show performed by a woman in a bathtub to a single audience member. I love stuff like that.
If you want to see some genuinely good improv in Edinburgh, based on audience input, you need to check out Racing Minds.
I have seen their show many times and they are all gifted improvisers.
I'm just gutted I can't make it to the Fringe this year, partly because the room rental is now absolutely INSANE.
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CAS is an interesting Genesis album because there are no PC songs.
Many songs on IT and WCD are too PC.
It's interesting alright. But not necessarily always in a good way...
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Other possible album options:
Coming Apart Suddenly (what happened after the album & tour)
Confused, Angry, Shrugging (some fans' reactions)
C'mon, Actually Satisfying (other fans' reactions)
Completely Atrophied Synths (what might have happened to Banks's keyboards)
I think this is one of the better songs on the album - it actually feels thought out and arranged. Ray does well.
It's funny. I've always thought that CAS has been unfairly dismissed. I think there are some really good songs on there, especially One Man's Fool, which I think is one of their best late period songs.
But I've revisited the album recently and it now just feels like a midtempo, badly arranged, slightly dirgey set of tracks. Ive realised that the good songs are horribly outnumbered.
For the first time I'm really start to wonder what they were thinking. And it potentially illustrates just what Phil took with him - not just the voice and drumming of course. But a sense of what the song is supposed to be doing and where it is going. That is sadly lacking on this album.
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Yes, joint top with The Cinema Show based on my hurried analysis of average scores which makes the top 10 as:
14.6 Cinema
14.6 Ripples
14.3 Solsbury Hill
14.2 Moonlit Knight
14.2 In The Cage
14.0 Fly On A Windshield
13.9 Red Rain
13.9 Eleventh Earl
13.8 Behind The Lines
13.7 Duchess
Below that comes the next 20 which are:
13.6 Abacab
13.6 Secret World
13.5 Mama
13.5 Driving The Last Spike
13.5 Heathaze
13.3 In Your Eyes
13.3 Squonk (average of 2 sets of votes as it was entered twice)
13.2 Lamia
13.2 Hogweed
13.2 Sledgehammer
13.1 Family Snapshot
13.0 Mercy Street
12.9 Dodo
12.9 Fountain
12.9 Horizons
12.9 Me & SJ
12.8 Tonight
12.8 Inside & Out
12.7 Land of Confusion
12.7 Undertow
I must point out this was done purely by inspection so it's subject to error and there may be one or two tracks excluded as a result. Taking it as it is, it's interesting. In these top 30 tracks PG is the only solo artist to feature, getting 7 slots. But I didn't look at how many TOTW entries each member has had (I think that's in another thread). If you take PG's two entries out of the top 10 to focus on Genesis only, Mama and Abacab get bumped into the top 10. That gives us a top 10 of four 5-man, two 4-man and 4 trio.
For some reason I'm fascinated by the grouping of Dodo, Salmacis, Horizons and Sarah Jane all ranked equally. Two quite taut yet very different ones from the trio album that was a major turning point, a prog classic from the first album of the iconic lineup, and an elegant solo acoustic guitar piece. I'm not sure why I like that cluster so much but maybe it somehow sums up both the band and its core fanbase, if the latter can be represented by the membership here.
Each track seems to get 20 to 30 votes, by the way.
Thanks for this. Really interesting stuff.
I have to go a long way down that list to find the first song that I wouldn't put so high (Land of Confusion).
