Posts by Duke of Earl of Mar

    Perhaps that's one way in which as Duke of Earl of Mar says it's sort of 'anti-Genesis'.

    I hadn't think about the lyrics when I wrote my post, but you're right.

    It was more about the music, with a very minimalist harmonic approach : there is only a few chord changes, overall it stays in C, and the song is quite long. I should have written "anti-Banksian" maybe. ;)

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    Is it a backtracked vocoder vocal? TB was using vocoder at the time - very prominent on Duchess (including the 3SL album and film) and M&SJ.

    Probably. A vocal part recorded, played backwards, and the audio goes to the external synth input of the Roland vocoder, which is processing it.

    Tony also used this external input live, by plugging his Prophet 5 (above the CP70 piano on the Duke tour) to the vocoder placed in his back when playing the piano. It's why we see him singing "Ahhooooooaaaeeeeh" during the chorus of Duchess, and playing the prophet and not the vocoder. We do hear the vocoder though.

    I'm also sure he is using it on Man of our Times.

    Difficult for me to rank this song.

    Musically it's almost anti-Genesis, which makes it interesting also. It's an important song for the band (a fresh start, as we all know...). It sounds very improvised in the instrumental section, again something quite uncommon for them. I find the fade-out frustrating, but there is probably a good reason for it : maybe they didn't write the end, and it came only later, by rehearsing for the tour.

    One thing that I don't like very much in the studio version is the overall sound, which I find aggressive (drums smashing...).

    This song really acquired another dimension played live. It became quite terrific, with the double drums. It's probably Mike's finest hour in guitar playing. Each time I watch a live performance (especially around 1986-1987), I get caught by the energy. The long final is my favourite moment.

    It's worth noting the small differences in the instrumental section from one night to another, it's quite enjoyable.

    What's curious is that it became almost forgotten by the band after the 80's, despite being so important for their new musical approach.

    Still, I have to say that I have other songs I prefer, even if I like it.

    Mixed feelings maybe... But it's still one of my favourite bands.

    11/15.

    This is my kind of topic... Thanks Backdrifter !

    - The little organ solo in Stagnation, just after the dueling guitar arpeggios, before the instrumental climax in D major with the drums ;

    - The quiet part of the organ and flute solo in The Knife ;

    - The intro of Salmacis

    - The mellotron solo of Can Utility :

    - Cinema Show solo ;

    - Fly on a windshield ;

    - The synth melody of Hairless Heart ;

    - The piano/synth melodic blend with Hackett and Rutherford acoustics in the Lamia (between the verses, you know) ;

    - The ending of Entangled ;

    - Earl of Mar Intro ;

    - Wot Gorilla ? ;

    - The instrumental ending of All in a Mouse's Night (after the "It only took one blow !" line) ;

    - the piano/mellotron blend of Blood on the Rooftops ;

    - Same for Many Too Many ;

    - the naive quality of Ballad of Big organ part ;

    - Duchess intro ;

    - Cul De Sac intro ;

    - Duke's Travels climax.

    - Me And Sarah Jane ("First I'm flying going round and round...")

    - It's Gonna Get Better ending ;

    - Tonight instrumental bridge ;

    - The Brazilian ;

    - Hold On My Heart chords ;

    - Fading Lights verses ;

    - Alien Afternoon ending.


    That's a lot I know...

    I'm all in !


    For months I've been imagining what the band could have done for their last tour...


    The Last Domino - Setlist of my dreams


    Intro : When The Sour turns to Sweet, intro (« We're waiting for you, Come and join us now, We need you with us, Come and join us now »… 1, 2, 1, 2, 3, 4 !!!)


    1. Duke's Intro (Behind the Lines/Duke's End) (transits into…) (Mike Bass)

    2. Abacab (shortened version, replaces Turn It On Again) (Mike Bass)

    3. Mama (Mike Guitar)

    4. Land of Confusion (Mike Guitar)


    Now, for this very last tour, we thought it would be great to play some songs that we haven’t played for a very, very, very long time… » - Audience cheering - « So this next one is a very, very, very old song, some may consider it as a classic now » - Audience cheering. « It’s called The Musical Box. » - Audience acclaims.)


    5. The Musical Box (replaces Home By The Sea) (Mike Double-Neck Guitar/Bass)


    (« Now we are placed in an unusual way, allowing us to perform songs a bit differently… As I said earlier, we also thought this tour would be the last opportunity to play some of our songs… So, why wouldn’t we play some never played live stuff ? » - Audience cheering - « So, to begin, a song that may have been a little forgotten over the years… Some of you might recognise it… »)


    6. Acoustic set:

    1. A Trick Of The Tail (replaces That’s All) (Mike Bass)

    2. The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway (shortened) (Mike Bass)

    3. Not About Us (added) (Mike Acoustic Guitar )

    4. White Mountain (added, first verse, goes into…) (Mike Acoustic Guitar )

    5. Ripples (added, first verse and chorus) (Mike Acoustic Guitar )

    6. Lovers Leap (added) (Mike Acoustic Guitar )


    7. Medley: (Mike Double-Neck Guitar/Bass)

    1. Fading Lights (first half) (transits into…)

    2. Silent Sorrow In Empty Boats / Unquiet Slumbers For The Sleepers / In That Quiet Earth (first half in 9/8, then Earl of Mar lead line transits into…)

    3. Apocalypse in 9/8 (replaces Cinema Show, at the B Major final chord, transits into…)

    4. Afterglow (E Major, the way they played it in 2021-2022)


    8. Duchess (Mike Double-Neck Guitar/Bass)

    9. Misunderstanding (Mike Bass)

    10. Firth of Fifth (instrumental section) (Mike Bass)

    11. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe) (Mike Bass)

    12. Follow You Follow Me (normal version) (replaces No Son Of Mine) (Mike Guitar)

    13. Domino (Mike Guitar)

    14. Tonight, Tonight, Tonight" (shortened) / Invisible Touch (Mike Guitar)

    15. Los Endos (Short drum solo/intro by Nic, Mike Double-Neck Guitar/Bass)


    Encore

    16. "I Can't Dance" (Mike Guitar)

    17. "Dancing With the Moonlit Knight" (introduction with first two verses) / The Carpet Crawlers (Mike Guitar)


    Now every album would have been covered at least with one song. It would have made sense since it was their last tour. But it's probably much too long too...

    I think the fade out thing exists also because of the lack of space on vinyl records. If would add 15 to 20 seconds or even more for each song to finish properly. Genesis records were already quiet long, maybe they thought it would compromise the sound too much.

    Of course, this does not apply to CAS, I think it's only a matter of "we don't know how to finish".

    Concerning Abacab, because it was a studio jam, maybe they didn't know how to end the song when they recorded it, and it only came later, by rehearsing for the tour with Daryl and Chester. But it's just a theory.

    Well, I compared the two versions, and yes, there is a difference.

    On the 1994 Remaster, we hear "Hasn't it ?" on the fourth beat, and then comes the crotales' hit (a pair of tiny cymbals) sound right on the following first beat.

    On the 2007 Remix, both elements come simultaneously, so the voice has been delayed a little.

    On Seconds Out, Phil says "hasn't it" also before the first beat, like in the original. Same in 1976 and 1982 on the versions I've listened to. So we can assume the phrase was meant to be placed that way, and that the 2007 Remix is wrong.

    I don't know what's going on really, but hearing that last track isolated made me wonder : "But what's the point of all this ? Does it even make sense ? Is it any good ?"

    It sounds like Steve Hackett is thinking "Let's put everything I have in mind, every strange noise I found on any track and release it".

    There's too much of everything to my ears (the production does not help in that aspect). It makes me think of Mike Rutherford's statement about Abacab when they worked on it back then : they were becoming "a caricature of themselves" and they decided to start fresh, with something completely different.

    Maybe it's what Steve needs ? His own "Abacab" album ?


    Sorry, I'm probably a bit harsh and confused.

    The part the really grates on me is the instrumental section at the end. The musicianship might be great but the sound they produce is not, and that steadily climbing piano scale amongst the melee makes me wince.

    Funny enough, it's my favourite part of the song (that bass !), which I've always liked anyway. 12 points.

    Oddly enough, I would say that I understand the critics on it (the sound, the theme, etc...), because that's also true.

    Same thing regarding the overall sound they had at the time (let's say, From Trick to Duke, that "polished", "evened" sound). Almost 25 years after I discovered them, it's still the sound I have in mind when I think about the band, yet I understand why a lot of fans don't like it.

    On the last tour, Phil was struggling a bit on HBTS, but Mike has never played better: an aggressive, very prog sound with a precise rhythmic work.

    I had forgotten about Mike's playing on the tour when I replied : indeed he played great.

    But the transition between the two parts, from C minor to E minor, sounds strange.

    Regarding PC, HBTS may have been hard to sing, but Mama was too, and on the latter I think he sang better : his "affected" voice made the song stronger and creepier, which was a very good thing.

    Interesting. Means you rate this higher than "Mama" or "Home by the sea"

    Honestly, yes, but it's subjective. Mama comes close behind (and objectively, in terms of musical arrangement, it's stronger). Then, That's All comes third.

    The song part of Home By The Sea never felt that strong to me, I prefer by far the instrumental part.

    From what I saw on Youtube, Home By the Sea seemed the weakest point of the setlist on the last tour to me, except for the lightning. Wish they would have chosen something else.

    I voted Peter, Tony and Steve.

    Voting for Peter is probably a bit obvious, since a lot of the "fantasy theatrical weird but cool" stuff usually came from him. There are lots of wordplays that are appealing.

    I like Tony's early lyrics (One for the vine, Mad Man Moon...). I know some can sound convoluted, especially on later songs ("Sheets of double-glazing"), but as a non-native speaker it doesn't bother me.

    The few lyrics Steve wrote seem quite strong (stronger than Tony's ones to me).

    Leiden?


    Rotterdam, 11/06/87


    Edit: Apparently a lot of fighting happened in the front throughout the concert with multiple warnings from Phil before and during the concert.

    It seems there's something "special" between Genesis and their Dutch audience...


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