Posts by Duke of Earl of Mar

Quote from Dr. John

The biggest loss was of a complete Cinema Show. They were at least considering it in Come Rain Or Shine but Phil thought it went too high for him to sing. He gave up prematurely because the top notes he sings falsetto in IKWIL go higher.

Oh, I thought it was because of Mike Rutherford, who didn't even try to remember his parts with the special tuning he was using on guitar. It's a shame, today there are lots of videos explaining it, maybe at the time there were already a few existing on the Internet he could have looked at, at least...

Quote from thewatcher

On of my favorites because it's a racket! I love how Phil's voice sounds like it's being overwhelmed in the mix when he shouts "maaaaaaaaaaaaan of our tiiiimes", plus the bit where he's singing something I can't make out (sounds like "an enemy <something something>"). And the effective pauses dropped in here and there. The tense keyboard notes that loom ominously in the background in parts.

As regards the thread, I'm partial to cryptic lyrics also.

I quite agree with that. Strange song, but there's something I like in it, the musical tension that goes through, only released when the drum pattern changes at the very end.

Another set of cryptic lyrics is Abacab. The band itself explained that at the time they tended to write lyrics that sounded good rather than had any sense, but these ones are particularly obscure.

"And in the beating of your heart there is another beating heart

All at once I can see what we do,

Me into me and you into you

Me into me and you into you

Tonight, tonight, oh he's s burning bright"

I've always had a strange, diffuse, orwellian feeling about this song. What do you think of it ?

This is very sad news. The Genesis family loses a great man, one of its key members. I've never had the chance to meet him or even read his book but I heard him on one of his shows, he was really interesting. RIP.

A filler, maybe, but it's actually one of my favourite part of this album. 14

Quote from Thelawnmower

Phil’s utterly inventive drumming, very subtle fills and rolls and some very clever use of the bass pedal

I completely agree. I also love his hi-hat at the end of the song (just after the Hairless Heart reminder).

Quote from somsom

Years ago, I had an argument with a fellow Genesis fan on this site about the ending of that song. He pretended that he could hear a reprise of the keyboard melody used in Hairless Heart while I thought it was slightly different.

Me, maybe ? RE: Things you've only recently noticed

To me, it is a part of the HH melody, slightly altered to go with the key (E instead of D) and the harmony (major instead of minor). Overall melodic construction ? Same. Rhythm (tempo aside) ? Same also.

A catchy song with a great groove. The bass part is remarkable. 12 points.

Easy 14 points. The guitar solo is my special moment. One of the best done by Daryl !

Quote from Schrottrocker

Tough one, I like both versions.

Me too.

Today, it would be the Seconds Out version. I really like the beginning, especially Chester's drumming. But to me, the key element is Mike's extra basslines on the choruses.

I like The Lamb live versions, especially the ones from Trick, Abacab and Encore Tour. Lots of energy, especially the last two. I'm quite attached to Seconds Out, so I like this version too.

Both the snippet from WCD tour and the full version from CAS tour sound weaker to me : I think it's because the change in the guitar part compared to the older versions.

The 2021-2022 version was totally different, but good : quite nostalgic.

No Reply At All didn't transfer well.

The Lamia was not that bad live but it lost a lot of instrumental subtleties that were done thanks to the studio environment.

I also prefer the studio version of Follow you Follow Me : a bit softer than the live versions, but it fits the theme of the song.

As for the rest of the album, it's lacking something, but it's a good song.

15... Of course. What else can I say ?

Each song on this album gets 15 points, for me anyway. Same for the whole album.

Tough to choose between this and Entangled (if I had to).

Quote from Liquid Len

Not sure what that instrument is, but it’s a cool sound.

Roland CR-78, used in Me And Sarah Jane, In The Air Tonight, Hand In Hand, and probably the whole 1984 album by Anthony Phillips.

Tony (1976) : To give you support... There, look, before leaving Peter gave me his red dress and his fox head. Am I not good-looking, hey ?

Rutherford's playing is worth a mention here.

As for the song itself, it's ok, I like it, but lost between all the other tracks that are all more remarkable. I have a soft spot for the calm Genesis piano songs though. The instrumental part between the verses (and the ending), with the piano melody that goes up is my favourite part. Cleverly composed.

Quote from raelway siding

I mean, the very first time I heard this song (many years after hearing DTLS) I was really taken aback by the repetition of that part. Genuinely astonished that anyone can say it very vaguely resembles it.

Quote from Backdrifter

I can only think it's very vaguely echoed in the "take me over..." bridge into the middle. Very vaguely.

I hear what Raelway is saying (same kind of melodic and rhythmic motif), but yes, the intervals between the notes and the overall harmony are all different between the two.

Quote from Schrottrocker

Interesting, I always heard it as D# / F# / G. That would take the semitone between the F# and the G, leaving the D# as an outside note without context.

Actually, I hesitated between your voicing (with the B added at the bottom) and mine before writing, but I ultimately think it's D# / E / G (no B at the bottom, I was probably fooled by the staccato part playing B / E). Just three notes, you were right !

As for the F# impression, I got that too, it's probably because all these notes are very, very close to each other.

Try both and tell us what you think of it !

I like the calm bits a lot, with Phil's twin harmonies.

12.

As a side comment, looking at the cover, I wonder if the "bald scientist with the pair of glasses" is or isn't the same guy, a bit frightened, looking down at something, on the Smallcreep's Day cover ?

Quote from Liquid Len

it only lasts for a split second, but that Tony chord that sounds like it’s out of tune

Em(Maj7) chord, second inversion, above middle C : B / D# / E / G.

D# and E are one semitone apart, creating the friction.

Since it's played with a strange sound (apparently from the CP-70, at least live in 1983-1984, but maybe they used the pure acoustic sound of the strings ringing in the studio version, with the CP a bit out of tune to enhance the dissonant effect, I don't really know how they achieved this sound).

On the Genesis cassettes distributed in France, probably dating from the beginning of the 80's, Nursery Crime and Selling albums have mismatches.

https://fr.shopping.rakuten.com/photo/2267418038_L.jpg

and

https://www.picclickimg.com/YRUAAOSwqCJlOq8X/Cassette-audio-tape-GENESIS-Selling-England-by-the.webp

For years, as a child, I thought Hogweed was Salmacis, and More Fool Me was Battle (I was only listening to cassettes). It was only when I began to study and understand English (at school), and paying attention to the lyrics that I thought "it seems there is a problem, the theme of the song does not fit with the title..." but I still wasn't sure. And then came the internet, and I was so surprised to discover the mistakes...

Quote from Duke of Earl of Mar

7. Medley: (Mike Double-Neck Guitar/Bass)

1. Fading Lights (first half) (transits into…)

2. Silent Sorrow In Empty Boats / Unquiet Slumbers For The Sleepers / In That Quiet Earth (first half in 9/8, then Earl of Mar lead line transits into…)

3. Apocalypse in 9/8 (replaces Cinema Show, at the B Major final chord, transits into…)

4. Afterglow (E Major, the way they played it in 2021-2022)

I've made an audio patchwork of what's above : see attachment (sorry for the very low audio quality). To me, it works well (do not pay too much attention to the different sources, it changes the sounds and the atmosphere, it's just for the sake of it).

If only... Anyway, it's over now.

Medley Genesis 2022 vlq.mp3.zip