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https://defector.com/shut-up-and-play-the-new-stuff
Great article about Peter's choice to play the new material, from a casual fan
Very nice piece and good for him appreciating the focus on new material.
As a Radiohead fan I enjoyed the amusing Kid A reference.
Hadn't seen Doctor In The House or any of the other Doctor series on TV in decades (it aired here on public television in the 1970s and '80s) but I revisited several episodes of the first series on YouTube a few months ago.
On a tangent: as you may know, early 70s the Python team were on location and stayed in a hotel where Cleese was mesmerised by the manager's rudeness and apparent universal dislike for the residents. He turned this experience into one of the Doctor episodes in its early days when he and Graham Chapman were writers on the show - the TV company drawing on Chapman's experience as a qualified doctor. Cleese wrote the hotel episode solo, I think it might be called No Ill Feeling and it's on youtube. It's essentially the blueprint for Fawlty Towers. Sadly it isn't very good.
Sad to learn of the death of Geoffrey Davies, the suave Dick Stuart-Clark in the various versions of the 'Doctor' sitcom - Doctor In The House, Doctor On The Go, etc which those of us of a certain vintage will remember. Those series occupied most of the 70s for him and he's understandably well-remembered for them but he had an active career either side of that, mainly on TV and on stage.
Gayle Hunnicut, actor from Texas. Early in her career when she realised she was being groomed by Hollywood based on her looks, she moved to England where she enjoyed a broader range of screen work and particularly lots of theatre. She reportedly turned down the Bond girl role in Live & Let Die, Roger Moore's first 007 film, due to a theatre commitment in Surrey. She generally avoided the more cliched roles but did briefly return to the US to appear in Dallas as an ex-girlfriend of villain JR Ewing.
https://thehistoryofrockandrol…-the-beatles-with-guests/
On the internet I see that Nigel Pierce is a Beatles collector so I think Steve's memory is plausible.
Yes he's a collector and wrote a book about Apple. I haven't found anything about the alleged Norfolk interview. But I'm sure there are people with better investigative research skills than I have who can track it down. If it exists.
Steve: "John Lennon said Genesis were the true sons of the Beatles."
There's other instances when Steve would say John Lennon said Genesis were the most interesting new band from England, and similar claims. Not to rain on Steve's parade but it would be interesting to find other sources confirm this. Some youtuber that I can't remember had a video in which he claimed he searched thoroughly but could not make out any sources for these statements of John Lennon's, except Steve himself who has seemingly repeated citing John Lennon from the early 70s onwards. Steve doesn't come across as if he is making things up but he appears to be the only person that can remember John Lennon say these things about Genesis.
I'm beginning to think this too. First, I'd see this frequently repeated claim that in a WNEW NY interview Lennon cited SEBTP as his current favourite album. And when I say frequently repeated, I mean by Hackett. I hadn't heard of this supposed "true sons of the Beatles" comment until seeing the above post. Having just looked it up, all the references to it come from SH saying it in interviews in the last couple of years. In one he attributes it to a DJ based in Norfolk in east England who says he has an interview tape of Lennon saying it, describing Genesis and ELO in this way.
It seems unlikely given that every molecule of Beatles-related media material is usually splashed around everywhere. Unless of course anyone knows of this alleged Norfolk interview and is aware of it being accessible somewhere. But even the WNEW interview has been described as debatable. At the moment it seems to me these Lennon attributions are solely in Hackett's head but I hope I'm wrong.
What's you're problem? With that permanent evil grin on your bright yellow face you would have no problem getting in.
I did wonder if you could fool the system by holding a big cardboard smiley face in front of your head. Or indeed, an evil cackling grin. Or an upturned banana in front of your mouth.
where did you read about Wallflower...?
Thom Yorke told at time about a cover of Wallflower
Yes I can't remember the exact source but I recall Yorke saying Wallflower was a big song for him when he was at school and it made a real impression on him.
Discs 7-8 should be the Lyceum concerts, although the tracklist is very odd.
It is strange, like the 1980 show all mixed up and with Misunderstanding thrown in. And headed '1988/1990'.
Disc 3/4, the 1984 Mama tour looks like it could be the Birmingham video with Alien removed.
Another year has passed! Time flies ... but this tour will always be special for me!
Me too. I was Glasgow/London so I've got my first 2-year mark coming up in a couple of weeks.
I'll have to revisit it. I remember liking Eno's rather menacing take on Mother Of Violence.
As a huge fan of Radiohead I was disappointed they ended up not participating. I was looking forward to two of my favourite artists doing this reciprocal thing. I heard they would have done Wallflower.
I've just seen reports from 2 years ago about a supermarket in Denmark that won't let shoppers in unless they smile at it. Its entrance is supposedly triggered by recognising a face smiling. All the reactions to this I've seen are positive, saying "I love this!" and "What a great idea!"
If it's real and still going, I think it's bloody terrible. What a stupid system. And I'm not just saying that as someone who, while generally positive and optimistic, has a default scowling expression that has to be torturously coaxed into a smile, although it's partly that.
I think the chord progression is pretty obvious (C#m - G#m - AMaj7), even the rhythm of the progression is basically the same, it's just missing the melody on top of it.
At 7:30 in this video it's quite well demonstrated, although it could be a re-recording of the chord progression?
OK thanks that helped, got it now. But yes, I reckon a re-record rather than a sample.
The sources I saw citing samples at specific points in the song are misleading.
The chord progression throughout the tune is taken from DWTMK.
I'm officially confused. I've seen different sources saying there are samples "at 00.07, 00.15 and throughout" and that the sample occurs at 01.30. I can't hear either the alleged samples or the chord progression, which I've not seen referred to anywhere. I didn't know the track but quite like it as I have other stuff of theirs. Very nice horn section.
I like trance and the Salmacis one is OK although it seems a bit of a shotgun marriage. Not keen on rap but the Firth sample is used quite well in that one.
Not the same thing but these at least nudge towards my desire to hear unusual full-on covers of Genesis, not just tribute acts or proggy wannabes but unexpected takes. I still yearn to hear eg a brutal industrial electro version of Ripples or whatever.
Entry to a sweepstake on the Genesis website store via this link - full disclosure, it earns me extra entries if anyone else enters but hopefully it can be passed on
Nad has got a lot stronger in terms of vocals as the tours have progressed. His flamboyance is kept in check in the sense that Steve is very much centre stage and I have really enjoyed Nad’s performance on the last few tours- having felt he was a little bit the weak link at the start. As for the mission creep of the guitar- apart from the end of Supper’s Ready, which I’ve enjoyed, I haven’t noticed it on any other songs. If anything it’s the sax/clarinet/flute parts that have been expanded. I would expect a prolonged Waiting Room jam to mop this up but I think Steve’s class will shine through in restraining himself on other songs.
It's not NS's vocals that have been my main problem, I've always found them kind of okay if a bit colourless which doesn't help when interpreting songs originally sung by such distinctive vocalists. It's his overall presence I don't much like. I've never found him particularly flamboyant and it probably wouldn't bother me if I did. In some ways I might prefer if he were to be more so.
The sax/flute stuff can be a problem for me. The flute was used horribly on I&O on the W&W 40th tour and killed one of my favourite songs, as I've previously whinged about. That show was what put an end to my seeing these SH shows. On balance I'll probably stick to that policy.
I haven't heard this in 25 years I'd say, and had forgotten it.
I'd forgotten it too. This thread prompted a re-listen. It's good, like you I like the overall feel of it.
The rhythm track reminds me of something else, it's niggling me but I can't think what it is.
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Ermhoi and Rosie FT are very interesting and make me feel like investigating further. Big Special not bad, less keen on Idris A.
Just heard on BBC 6Music's Guy Garvey show: Tender Hook, by Sugarstone. I hadn't heard of them, I think they're from the north of England. I like it.
I love The Lamb, it's my favourite Genesis album by some distance and one of my favourite albums ever by anyone. This makes me feel I could possibly break my embargo on seeing his Genesis shows for this one.
But there are still a couple of barriers holding me back. One is the perennial issue of Sylvan. The other is that while SH did some fine work on the album I'm wary that he'll bulldoze it on stage now. His playing on, eg, Windshield and the aforementioned Chamber is excellent and has his (then) trademark economy. His Lamia solo is a thing of beauty. But I'm afraid that he'd now go down the path of his absurd overstretched indulgent noodling solo as seen recently at the end of Supper's Ready.
His clean effective pencil-sketch approach of those days is one of my favourite things about his work and 70s Genesis but with this proposed Lamb show I have an image of that wonderful Lamia solo turning into an unsubtle elongated splurge.
