Posts by Backdrifter

    Definitely not the only one. I'm not a fan, I wish they would play the whole song, and (I think) it's a symptom of the fact that they don't have a rotating roster of songs for a tour, i.e. they have to play half of dance on a volcano and half of firth of fifth every night, because they're never going to play all of dance one night and all of firth another night. I have railed against this kind of inflexibility in their setlists before to the point, I'm sure, of tedium. It's a real first world problem to complain of! I guess it comes from being a greedy fan, and wanting them to play more of their songs. They have such depth across all of their eras. I thought the 2007 setlist was terrific.


    One segue that particularly bugs me was TTT-IT. I love the full version of TTT! Cutting it in half and jumping into IT does nothing for me.


    <rant paused>

    Also, as we've said before, we know there are bands who keep their setlists fluid and change stuff around - and it's therefore all the more frustrating to have to accept that Genesis simply aren't one of those bands and are firmly in the camp of sticking rigidly to a fixed set. On a tangent - I'm kind of glad they didn't ever do the 2nd half of Volcano after the Trick tour. The first half is a zillion times better and it was surging and powerful live. But I do wish they'd reinstate the whole of Firth.


    I agree about the loss of the TTT instrumental, a favourite passage of mine but many fans never liked it and even the band said it wasn't one of their strongest moments. I thought it brought a refreshingly different trancey feel to their work so it really irked me that they dropped it. The idiots!


    EDIT - I just thought, maybe we should merge this general medleys bit of the thread into that bad-tempered Medleys thread which became rather fractious.

    ^ I just tried reading a synopsis of it. It banged on about sorcery, Don Juan and warriors or something. I read the synopsis twice and nothing stuck, it was like breathing on a window pane. I'm pretty sure there was no mention of horses made of sand though.

    I don’t mind the medleys, even if there are brief excerpts of songs, as long as it flows and seems well-crafted.


    I love the I Know What I Like medleys from the mid-70s to 1980, and I think all the In The Cage medleys were great. I thought The Lamb-Watcher transition worked really well though that probably doesn’t qualify as a medley.


    And then in complete contrast, we have the 92 medley which I thought was a horrible mess. It lacked flow; inserting one or two vocal lines from various songs — the whole piece just seemed like it was thrown together with little thought, care or creativity.

    I Know What I Like medleys?


    Personally I'd count the 82 Lamb/Watcher as a medley and yes it was great, especially actually being there and not expecting that.


    I agree with your first line. I'll always like to hear whole songs but if there is a medley, as you say as long as it's done well I don't mind. And indeed I didn't mind the WCD tour one. It was a little frustrating to get such truncated bits of DOAV and Lamb, admittedly. It didn't come across to me as lacking care or thought etc but it seemed that they maybe wanted to cap it at about 20 minutes but let IKWIL drag on, where they could've given Dance and Lamb a bit more space instead.


    As to the snippets during IKWIL, well it's difficult to argue with you on that score, it was pretty naff and even Collins later said it was a mistake.

    Fela is likely getting the votes as much for political reasons as musical ones.

    I wouldn't necessarily separate the two, especially for a musician who meshed politics into his work the way he did. As I say, not that I know much about the institution but it calls itself a hall of fame so it seems legitimate to me, if such a thing is to exist, that rankings take general reputation, stardom and 'aura' into account as much as music.


    Point taken about the way the voting works but it muddies the waters. I love the notion that Rolling Stone readers are 'cool types', by the way.

    Unless you understand that the people who run it all are full-of-themselves, aren't-I-cool types, then it all makes sense.

    But I think the point that was being made was that the vote rankings currently shown are fan votes and that you might expect influential acts like Rundgren, KB and NYDs to be ranking higher. Kuti is a very influential iconic figure but I'm still slightly surprised to see fans who put Tina Turner, Foo Fighters and Iron Maiden in the top 4 currently ranking him number 1.

    I just heard this and really enjoyed it. Black Country New Road are a fairly new London-based band from what I read. The voice reminds me a bit of Scott Walker with perhaps a teaspoon of Lloyd Cole. This is a new song by them, Track X.


    Also heard today, Cain's Heresy by The Lounge Society, another English new band, from Yorkshire. I liked the energy and the guitar sound on this. It made me think of some of the late 70s new wave stuff I remember fondly from school days.

    ^ I've never really understood what the RRHOF actually is, how inductees are decided, etc. Though to be frank, nor have I ever cared. But I just had a glance at the site and these current votes. I think the ratings are unsurprising and make complete sense, unless you expect them to not surprise you and to make sense. If that makes sense.


    What I mean is, as far as I gathered from my quick look, the vote ratings shown there are fan votes which later get added to industry votes or something. Based on that, nothing in those ratings is especially odd except perhaps the mild surprise of Fela Kuti being in the lead. But I'm not in the least surprised to see KB and the NYDs trailing. I don't mean that as a reflection on them, I agree they are both very influential, but I have no idea if that's considered a key factor in these votes or whether the kind of people who vote are all that bothered by 'influence' - judging from the ratings, for the most part they clearly aren't.


    Fan votes usually are pretty stupid anyway. Never rely on fans to make reasoned judgements or rankings about stuff.

    I just heard a track I absolutely love on the Amy Lamé show on BBC6Music, Faceshopping by SOPHIE. I then looked it up, discovering that SOPHIE was a producer/musician who'd worked with a range of artists as well as doing two albums, and died in a fall a few weeks ago at the tragically young age of 34. 😟

    Once or twice I left myself in a weakened state after indulging in my home made one

    This made me chuckle. "How was your meal?" "Excellent - but it's left me in a weakened state".


    Agreed re choice of spud and a robust beer - I've sometimes found a really big red wine can work well with a spicy meal too.


    It is indeed key to strike that balance between heat and flavour in order to avoid the sense it's just tasteless lava. I'm a big fan of the scotch bonnet, very hot but packs major fruity flavour.


    I read a food book with a chapter about the chilli craze that really took off in the UK in the 90s. Chilli farms and specialist sauces abounded, often with names invoking apocalyptic or satanic imagery such as "Dave's Thermonuclear Insanity Relish", "Phil's Armageddon Sauce" or "Eric's Essence of Hades" etc. It claimed that some of them were such intensely refined distillation of pure capsaicin that one single drop carefully dispensed from a pipette would spice up an entire vat of curry.


    The tagine was excellent, if I may say so. The butcher didn't have any of the usual lamb for stewing so I got some boneless gigot and it worked really well, very tender after about 40 mins of slow cooking in the oven. It had good fat marbling plus I let a section of marrowbone melt into the sauce.

    I do also like sourdough toasted

    For me, only if it's well-made sourdough that's been properly knocked back during prep. Otherwise it has big holes and toasts to the texture of glass. Biting into it I almost feel it's going to tear my mouth to shreds.

    Ok, here's a scenario.


    You have access to bread and means of toasting it. You have a fairly normal kitchen store cupboard of stuff. What bread do you use and what do you do next?


    For me: good-quality plain white crusty bread. Toasted both sides under a grill, well-browned, not blackened or left pale, then immediately slathered with thick lashings of rich slightly salted butter which is allowed to melt in, but not to compromise the integrity of the bread. Tart, zingy seville orange marmalade spooned on to it and spread (the spoon is important - the used butter knife must NOT, repeat NOT, come into contact with the contents of the marmalade jar in a civilised society).


    Eaten with well-brewed hot strong tea to accompany it.

    I have no question over his huge influence on music, just his vocal has never got me enthralled although needless to say some tracks are classics.

    Some journalists start salivating at his mention, so maybe i just missed something along the way

    I love that this happens. It's how it should be. The big iconic creatives absolutely shouldn't be universally revered, there have to be those who are critical of them, or unconvinced/unimpressed, or simply never engaged or saw what the fuss was.


    It sounds like you might be similar with DB to how I am with, say, Bob Dylan and Kate Bush. I totally see the seismic impact they each had in their own ways, and how uniquely talented they are. I genuinely admire and respect them. I just don't much like their work.

    thewatcher Regarding what we touched on here. Your home-made vindaloo sounds hotter than the heart of the sun! I'm very fond of spicy food, my parents came to the UK from India where they were used to spicy food and we all grew up on it but unlike some people I know whose tolerance for chillies seems to have decreased, mine has grown, especially recently and I've been craving them more than before. Even so, I don't think I'd be on board with your vindaloo which would surely irreparably wreck the Scoville Scale.


    When I lived in SW London I used to eat at a Goan restaurant in Putney. They did a very authentic pork vindaloo which, yes, was very hot with red chillies but enough to blend well with the rich mix of spices and the tang of vinegar which is vital to the dish. Still the very best one I've had anywhere.


    Tonight I'm making a lamb tagine with cinnamon and prunes.

    Haha, I said 'briefly' at the start of my post

    No matter. Where food's concerned I'm very happy with long explanations. So as not to burden this thread with (albeit delicious and enjoyable) food talk I'm going to continue this thought over in the Food & Drink forum.


    Like you I also haven't ever seen Breaking Bad but I only ever hear good things about it.


    If i whisper it, and none of my muso friends around....then never owned a Bowie album there said it and now suffer the damnation of every music journalist!

    Hahaha! Well I'm a Bowie nut but I find it healthy there are those who never bought anything of his or maybe never really engaged with his work. You can relax, I'm not one of those types who suddenly sprouts a back polo-neck and adopts a serious face and voice and starts to explain to you where you're going wrong and which works of his to start with in order to really properly understand what he did.