A couple of entries for this thread from elsewhere.
Posts by Backdrifter
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I agree with what you have said but in Mason's defence if you are handed a song you can only go so far in adding to it. I cant see that Mason would have been allowed much input into the song structures when up against the other 3 big personalities. So he was probably the right man for the job. For example, if we look at Genesis. Whilst Tony may have wrote fading lights you can be sure that the middle section was worked on between the three of them with different rhythms. I honestly cant see Nick saying to Roger can we put this interesting drum part in this song. Even Gilmour is credited with the change of tempo in "Money"
I think there's something in this, though I'm not sure how interesting NM could ever have been even if there was scope for that to happen. But yes, given that so many of PF's songs were at a quite plodding walking-pace tempo it does indeed beg the question of just how much he could have done with them even if he tried or was allowed to.
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I don't think it is correct to say that a bassist can't contribute as much to a band's sound. People like John Entwistle, Chris Squire, Geddy Lee were all essential components to their respective bands' sounds.
I agree, and immediately thought of Squire and Lee too. McCartney of course, John Giblin springs to mind too, and Rutherford to an extent.
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I think most if not all here would happily acknowledge that arrangement and song development are very important and that the writing, though obviously key, isn't the entire picture. The fixation we often have on who wrote what (eg within Genesis) is I think just part of the level of fandom you get on a forum like this, and entirely understandable. I personally find it interesting, just as I'm fascinated by how a song is built up and added to in the rehearsal room or studio. I think the latter isn't picked over, or perhaps always known about, in the same way as the writing is but I'm sure few would diminish it.
Mason could have been replaced by almost anyone, his style is lazy and unswerving, Phil would have brought much more life to the party. Hell, Mick Tucker from the Sweet would have been a step up.
I've often thought NM is one of rock's most boring drummers. He's good demonstration of how a good musician is distinctive in that he absolutely isn't, unlike the drumners you cited.
I think I've mentioned this elsewhere - I do like something Waters said when an interviewer was pressing him for pearls of wisdom about the origins of Pink Floyd: "Look, you won't get me to take any of this seriously. We were just 4 young blokes hoping to make money and get shagged."
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I’d love that opportunity, but I’d wager that many nights Supper’s Ready would be the choice. I can imagine the band saying “Oh god, 23 minutes of Supper’s Ready. Either the show is now 3 hours or we have to cut 2 longish songs or 3 medium-short length songs.”
Or there'd be a subversive vote that sent Whodunnit into an unbeatable lead.
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if you look at the 2022 schedule, I think Glasgow won’t be rescheduled anymore. There’s no space. Also little options for extra shows.
Exactly what I thought. Unless they stick Glasgow after the Londons I think it's likely we'll see a Glasgow cancellation announcement soon.
QuoteThe European shows would never have happened without the London reschedules.
The only thing that slightly goes against this is that at Glasgow 1 the hospitality team leader said there had already been discussions about mainland Europe (and US midwest/west coast), plus would a Europe tour have been assembled within just over 2 weeks? My understanding is that tour scheduling takes a lot longer than that but I stand to be corrected.
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I heard one of the new songs today. It sounded like something the Nolans would've done in 1980.
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Display MoreRoger Waters left PINK FLOYD decades ago and he is still whining in public about how he was all of Pink Floyd which is completely untrue.
It is no wonder that the rest of Pink Floyd don't like , ROGER.
Imagine if Peter Gabriel told Genesis that they can't use the GENESIS' name and still whined for decades about how the other bands members really did almost nothing in the band etc...? And he did it all in a public forum???
1. I don't listen to Pink Floyd to hear Roger sing and play bass. I listen to Pink Floyd to hear Glimour's voice , guitar , Mason's drumming and Wrights' keyboards.
That is the Pink Floyd , sound.
2. Glimour and Wright wrote the music for some of Pink Floyd's greatest songs.
One Of These Days and Echos. The whole band wrote mostly all the music for , Dark Side.
Wright wrote the music for the songs Us And Them , Great Gig In The Sky and Any Colour You Like.
Glimour co wrote Time , Breath and other songs. The only songs that were totally just Waters were Money and Brain Damage. Yes , Roger wrote all the lyrics. A lot of them , I find depressing.
Then you have , Wish You Were Here. Glimour and Wright wrote the music for all of Shine On and the song Wish You Were Here.
Roger only sings on 1 song , Welcome To the Machine [his song] and he didn't sing his own song , Have A Cigar. The singer was , Roy Harper.
Animals , is all Rogers except for the song , Dogs that was co written with , Glimour. What would Animals sounded like with out Glimour's guitar and Wright's keyboards???
As for The Wall the 3 best songs [in my opinion] Another Brick , Run Like Hell and Comfortable Numb were co written by Glimour.
Roger can have , The Final Cut. One of PF worst albums.
Roger Waters , didn't make any of the Pink Floyd films , album covers , light shows and puppets etc...Pink Floyd had many creative people working for them.
As for using other musicians PINK FLOYD used back up singers and Sax players many times.
If you need any more proof that Glimour , Wright and Mason were the PINK FLOYD sound listen to the album mostly instrumental album , ENDLESS RIVER.
ROGER WATERS , is rich and famous. He is on his 5th marriage and he doesn't seem to like mostly any one.
Roger , there is a saying.
If every one at a party is an ass.... , then YOU are the ass....
Eh?
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Just heard this on the radio and liked it, Goodtimes by Flyying Colours - not a misspelling (possibly to avoid being confused with Flying Colours).
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off to see public service broadcasting in Brighton on Monday. Always a great night out with an original band. Will make up for the o2 show being postponed!
Enjoy. I really like PSB.
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Hotspur
I was itching to say that but decided it'd be too nitpicky! So I'm glad you stepped up.
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let's wait .... Don't think they will only do three London shows and possibly Glasgow in March. There will most likely be more gigs around that time.
What he said.
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I didn't want to start a new thread so decided to stick this in here. Probably I'm alone in not realising TB ever did any public performances of his solo stuff so I was surprised when I came across this. Are there any other examples?
EDIT: I just noticed the earlier mention of a Pebble Mill (or similar type of show) appearance. Seems he was very much aiming to make Bankstatement a very visible M&tMs type project.
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No honestly it's a proper doc. Stills and video clips voice over with a few bods I have never heard of popping up and voicing their opinions. When discussing their new sound with Foxtrot and pics of the sleeve IKWIL was playing in the background ,.no mention of SR. No joke.
From what I can see scrolling back through the EPG it was 30mins long whereas everything else in their "Discovering" series appears to be 1 hour so maybe you got off lightly.
(Coming up there's a different documentary strand with a much longer programme on the Moody Blues which foxfeeder might want to check for accuracy).
I sometimes wonder if Genesis are the most marginalised mega-successful rock band.
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It's better to go to Toronto
Than to go to some place you don't want to
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I think Peter was taken aback by the underwhelming response in certain quarters to Up. I know I was shocked that the arena was half-full at best when I saw his show in Washington, DC on that tour. It’s similar to what Tony and Mike experienced when CAS was virtually ignored in the US. When you’ve experienced so much success it has to be a blow to a performer’s ego (and maybe even confidence) when album and ticket sales suddenly take a precipitous drop.
I saw him on both the Growing Up and Still Growing Up tours in London; the former was well-attended but for the latter, the arena auditorium was as you say half-full. But I didn't realise Up had such a lukewarm reception generally in the US.
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SR will answer for themselves I'm sure but how do you know they didn't intend to call themselves Sliver Rainbow?!
foxfeeder By the way if you're including the above as part of your perception I was backing SR up in some kind of opposition to you, I can at least clarify this part of my post was intended as a joke. Not an especially brilliant one, granted, but it was meant lightheartedly.
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I always interpreted Phil's comments as "Genesis will not exist after this tour."
That was my interpretation too.
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More worrying is the fact that, as a long standing member, you should choose to back up said first time poster and his frankly uncalled for comment, rather than someone you have known for several years. I guess I know who to trust a little more in future.
Laws a-mercy guv. I wasn't "backing him up", I thought his comment wasn't worth paying any attention. My reaction was solely to your suddenly invoking other acts in a somewhat overheated way, the tone of which you're maintaining here rather melodramatically. However, if you wish to use that exchange as a basis for not trusting me in future, that's a pity but I can't stop you.