Very few songs are Cole Porter, other than those by Cole Porter. As for No Son, there are as many personal reactions to abuse as there are survivors of it. Some indeed never go anywhere near their abuser again, completely removing them from their life. Others do choose to revisit their abuser for a range of personal reasons, it does happen. The song relates the thoughts of one such person. And the perpetrators also react in different ways. Some act remorsefully, others remain unrepentant and do in fact lash out at the victim.
Posts by Backdrifter
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I see the original and the various live ones as distinct things with their own merits. It's not so much whether the original or any of the live ones are best, for me it's a case of: there's the original, I love it, it's a fixture on my Genesis compilation. Meanwhile there's all the live ones among which I do have some preferences.
I lean towards those who've said the original mellotron chorus is best, with its richer deeper voices which were never adequately matched post-mellotron. On that basis I'd go for the 78 version. Of the later ones I quite like the IT tour 87 one, I had a recording of the London show BBC broadcast and was struck by some separate ascending voices Banks seemed to add above the main chorus during the run-out, which I thought was a nice touch I hadn't noticed in any other live versions. It kind of mirrored some of the voices on the original doing a similar thing.
For the same kind of reason already stated the Last Domino version has some emotional heft. What added to it was that it followed the 'end of the line' vibe of Fading Lights, with the Cinema Show reminder of their peak 70s glory days sandwiched inbetween. I also agree that the 07 version, in common with some of the rest of that show, lacked something. Going to the TLD gigs put in perspective that there was a comparative restraint of some kind about the 07 performances, like their hearts weren't fully in it. It comes across in the When In Rome film.
1980 has impact as it was my first experiences of seeing them on stage, plus the start of the simple but hugely effective magenta backlighting moment. The addition of the slow varilite sweep from 81 worked well. Neither 07 nor TLD could match the visuals, 07 in particular.
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My trusty coconut-cinnamon-raisin oatmeal, cup of yorkshire tea
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Contemplating a big move (new job, new city). Very unsettling trying to think of all the pros and cons. Not excited about disrupting the kids' world despite clear objective advantages. Icky feeling.
Huge decision and a lot to chew over. Is there a job offer or a job possibility?
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So wasn't broadcast live then. I had it in my head that it was.
Not as far as I'm aware but I stand to be corrected. I've read it was broadcast from 4pm a week later, 1 July 78 to mark the 5th anniversary of Alan 'Fluff' Freeman's Saturday Show. Every reference I've seen, and the long-lost cassette I had of it*, matches the running order of your vinyl set.
One reference I saw alleged that the entire show was not only audio recorded but filmed as well. I wonder if we have any confirmation of that - the filming that is, I assume they did indeed make a full audio recording.
* EDIT - just as I posted the above I suddenly remembered that, irritated by the BBC's re-sequencing of the edited-down broadcast, I did a tape-to-tape to make a de-resequenced version.
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watching Silo series 2 on Apple...episode 3. Set in the future around 100 years ahead...guy starts playing Red Rain in order to get the main characters attention....didn't expect that, but good to see has lasted the test of time!
Yes good to hear and to entertain the notion of PG still being appreciated a century from now - was the character playing it to get in the mood for the follow-up album to i/o?
But it reminds me of a mildly irritating music-on-TV thing specifically from various Star Trek series, where characters listening to music usually play 20th century or pre-C20th classical. I haven't seen every single episode of the various series so maybe I missed when they played anything from the 21st to the 24th centuries. (Similarly it only ever seems to be classic literature that gets quoted).
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.....and if you tell the kids today they'll never believe you.
(Yorkshire accent) - "When I were kid we didn't have the luxury of recording off t'radio, we had to write all the songs down. And not wi' fancy pen and paper neither, we had to write them in't mud using the thigh bone of our dead dog. Who we'd eaten as we were starving. You try telling kids these days..." (etc)
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I hope that Setist have it wrong. It's a user led site so there probably are errors dotted around.
No the setlist entry looks correct. The broadcast, as well as obviously cutting songs out for the broadcast slot, moved the remaining songs around as you noted.
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I'll let you know about the length but here's the tracklist
Right that makes sense now, those aren't hugely long sides. If the listing was exactly as per the link you originally posted you'd be enjoying 'Quonk' and 'Dance Of The Volcanoes'.
How was that recorded? Music centre , a portable radio cassette player or if you were like me, press.play and record on a little tape player next to the radio and hope no one comes in the room. You had to be ready to turn the tape over quickly
I started placing a portable next to a speaker when we had a turntable and nothing else. Then progressed to a music centre and wondering if the horrible squeaky clunk between recordings could be avoided.
Regarding tape changeover I later took to having a fresh cassette ready to slot straight in after the previous one was near the end otherwise it meant ffwd to the end of side 1 to line up the start of side 2, and missing a chunk of the broadcast. For whole gigs eg IT tour 87 it meant a tape with parts 1 and 3, and another with parts 2 and 4.
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It's the full broadcast so the first two songs of the show are missing, EEOM and OFTV.
2nd track was Cage wasnt it?
QuoteIts a double album, not triple.
The image on the link is therefore very misleading as it shows 3 discs and describes track listing for 3 discs. Surely it can't be the whole broadcast, putting it on a double vinyl would create ludicrously long sides wouldn't it?
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For me she's in that category of being clearly very talented and I see the mass appeal, but I don't like it. I find her voice too unvarying, one of those laser-beam voices.
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Just enjoying a Rebus book (written by Ian Rankin). For those who are not familiar he is a fictional Edinburgh detective. He’s just put his headphones on to listen to ‘Genesis: For Absent Friends.’ Wasn’t expecting that!
I remember the FAF reference, I think he's remembering the pal who recently died, the one who helped him redecorate?
I love the Rebus novels. I need to catch up with the last 2 or 3. Ian Rankin is a keen music fan and it manifests via Rebus and other of the characters (I like Clarke's attempts to update his tastes) and of course some of the book titles. A while ago I had a twitter exchange with Rankin about King Crimson.
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A personal favourite, usually in my Genesis top 10. I have equal affection for the original and the various live versions. I also like the Banks/Collins duet version from Songbook.
It's the side of Banks which on balance I prefer: the one that produced compact gems like this with simple, effective lyrics as opposed to longer ponderous overwrought stuff. For me, on this album it's the "antidote" to Vine as on the next album Many Too Many is to Burning Rope. In this case, the thoughts of someone who's lost everything but still has hope and purpose. It's simply told without being overbaked in the way Banks could often do.
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Wholeheartedly agree - very hard to understand how Tony Smith & the band never saw the merit in keeping the 'brand' alive for us hard core fans and other potential new recruits. An opportunity squandered imho.
Yes they've never been any good at this sort of thing and routinely had crappy website presence.
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but perhaps you thought the cover image was garbage? anyway ...
Oh we've been over that! 😂
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Rising Sun - see above. It seems the earlier confusion was all for nothing, it's not a cover of the Garbage track, disappointingly.
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That's another theory of mine what it is and it's mine.
Yes thank you Ann.
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Films to adapt as stage musicals:
Bladerunner
Reservoir Dogs
Jaws
2001
The Taking Of Pelham 123
Get Carter
The Sixth Sense
James Bond -the musical
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Have you ever been to Trading Boundaries?
It's a superb live venue, especially for acoustic music, and that's what it looks like.
Personally, I don't see the problem with the cover photo and, in any case, the track listing more than makes up for any concerns.
I haven't been there.
I'm trying to work out if you're subtly joking... but in case you're not, see my previous post 👍
EDIT: it includes a cover of Only Happy When It Rains by Garbage, not a band I'd expect him to cover, which intrigues me.
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And a boring setlist. Not for me….
I'm looking at it and thinking what a refreshing change from his Genesis Reheated stuff. A load of actual solo material and an intriguing cover.
