Posts by jaydubya

    Think it was Turn It On Again: The Hits in 1999.


    I had started to become a fan with We Can't Dance in 1992 and was slightly behind the curve when I got The Shorts and The Longs. From that I had worked backwards to Duke. For a time that seemed to be all the Genesis I needed. ATTWT came and went back to the shop as I wasn't sold on it and taster's of The Lamb and Trick courtesy of my local library were okay but not sure. Eventually the combination of the two Archive boxsets (the 1st from the library, the 2nd I bought) tipped me over the edge to 70's Genesis.

    Reading a thread on another forum, someone commented that they heard a noticiable "click" at 17 seconds into the song "Robbery, Assault and Battery" when Phil sings ..."considered" with the Definitive Remastered Edition (1994)

    I have this DE Cd manufaturated in the US (ATCO Records 82668-2)

    and I don't hear this. I have reviewed it several times and using headphones... the click is not there.

    I guess maybe it's a matter of the European editions... has anyone found it on their cd?

    I still wonder this, because I imagine that the remaster is the same for all worldwide releases

    Yes, I can hear it on my UK issue of DE on the 'con' of 'considered. I think I remember reading something where Nick Davis confirms it too. One of his jobs on the DE series was to go through removing all the clicks and pops and that was one the one that got through. I've got all the other DE's in the series and while I'm aware of the tracking errors I don't recall any other clicks or pops.

    Ok, a totally random thought that I can't get out of my head, so I'll share it.....the Fading Lights "BAM" segue into Cinema Show certainly split opinion on this tour (mainly as it was something different and unexpected which isn't a bad thing; and it certainly jolted everyone awake!); and the DWTMK/Carpet Crawlers was a previously-tried version.....well, what if the Fading Lights section they did segued into Carpet Crawlers? Would that have worked?


    It would certainly have put two really poignant songs together as one 'piece'.


    (For what it's worth, I'd always found Carpet Crawlers a bit of a weird encore / closer...up until the last shows where it really worked well. A really poignant way to end the last shows).

    For me the medleys work best when there's contrast in moods between the sections. I actually thought the idea of Fading Lights into Cinema Show was a good one, its just that the join was a bit clunky. They probably should of done a small part of the Fading Lights instrumental before transitioning into Cinema Show.

    While I wouldn't argue they're the best Genesis live albums I went for The Longs and Live Over Europe. The Longs because along with The Shorts they were my way into Genesis post We Cant Dance. Selected Live Over Europe for the basic reason it featured several tracks from Manchester which was the first Genesis gig I went to.

    I properly got into Genesis after the We Can't Dance tour had already ended and was looking forward to their next release only for Phil to quit the band. I ended up getting the Congo single but I wasn't as enthused about the CAS line-up so had no inclination to see them live. I was just left picking up the remainder of the back catalogue and any other new releases they put out. I assumed I'd missed my chance of seeing Phil with the band but I promised myself that in the unlikely event he ever returned and toured I would get tickets to see it without hesitation.


    I made good on that promise by going to the Old Trafford gig in 2007. Still the best gig I've been to - not that I've been to many.

    I thought I'd been lucky to see one tour with Phil in the band in 2007. Can now up that to two tours after seeing them in Leeds last night.

    Quick impressions having seen the show last night. Loved it. Had tried to avoid spoilers beforehand but failed miserably by buying the CD and then seeing the documentary on Youtube (which then offered up spoilery clips of the shows themselves even if I only saw the titles). Mind you, could have been worse, could have bought (or seen someone wearing) the setlist t-shirt!


    Did have slight concerns about Phil's voice as the show started but he improved as the show went on. I have also seen it said, possibly here and elsewhere, that acclimatising to how his voice sounds now also helps. I would agree with this. The backing singers were unobstrusive and helped fill out the vocals and hold some longer notes where needed. Phil was in great form though and held the audience in the palm of his hand.


    Having only seen them live once before on the 2007 tour I was happy with the additions this tour added. I thought the acoustic section was brilliant. Going off of the CD I had wondered if Fading Lights, The Cinema Show and Afterglow would be offered up as a new kind of medley. I like the idea but I'm not sure the transitions totally worked. Maybe could used some of the Fading Lights instrumental before seguing into Cinema Show.


    While everyone on stage performed well and the sound was great (even right up the top where I was sat) there's no question that the MVP award goes to the 'boy wonder' Nic Collins. I had read good things about his playing but it was still even better than I was expecting. Probably quite rightly deserved one of the biggest cheers of the night. Of course without him there would likely be no tour.


    If this is the end - which also seems likely - then I think this is a nice way for the band to bow out.

    Wouldn't surprise me if these re-arranged dates were already being held for insurance purposes - especially with the additional dates they've now been able to add - in case the initial dates had to be cancelled for some reason. Although who could have forseen Covid.


    I wonder if for legal and contractual reasons they're then obliged to move to these dates even if the feeling is the Covid situation may not have changed enough by then? The question then is what options are left open to them if these dates then fall by the wayside. Will there be another set of dates now in place as further insurance or will they have to pull to the plug?


    The idea of reverting to stadiums might be a good one but then availability and number required would become a factor to cater for everyone with an existing ticket without having to scrap the whole tour and start again.

    Being born in the 70's I've been aware of The Beatles and the individual members all of my life but never really gone out of my way to listen to them. Of course it didn't mean I didn't hear them on the radio, TV, films or being covered by other artists so it was hard to not be at least familiar with some of their output.


    However it wasn't until the 2010 reissues of the Red and Blue albums that I decided to dip a toe in and buy some of their albums. For quite a while I thought this was all The Beatles I needed. This changed one day in late 2019 when I saw several of their studio albums going cheap in my local Sainsbury's: Rubber Soul, Revolver, Sgt Pepper, Abbey Road and Let It Be. At this point I knew enough that Sgt Pepper was not only revered as one of, if not the best, albums by the group themselves but also possibly of all time. Based on that I thought it was worth a punt as my first Fab Four studio album proper.


    Long story short, I loved it and decided it was worth taking a chance on the other albums I'd seen too. Enjoyed them just as much although found Let It Be to be a bit of a come down from what went before. Although further reading lead me to realise this was not much of a surprise. Anyway, from here I quickly picked up the White Album as the missing main album in the run of albums I now had. For about a month I immersed myself in this new found music when HMV had a price crash on Beatles albums. Striking quickly I picked up all the missing studio albums plus Past Masters.


    I've been enjoying them ever since. Key takeaways for me which may seem obvious were that I finally better understood why The Beatles have the reputation they have. I was aware of it, of course, but without really immersing myself in the music I had no way of understanding exactly what influence they had. I'd always been wary of people my age or younger who would state that The Beatles were the best band ever in their opinion. I'd always wonder whether they had truly come to that opinion themselves or were they influenced by what history told us. Having worked my way through their catalogue I got it. Not only did I now appreciate how they developed in such a short period of time but I also realised how - from Rubber Soul onwards at least - what they were doing to resonate into other post-Beatles bands I was a fan of - both subtlely and not so subtlely - in terms of the range of song writing, album construction and sound. Rubber Soul particularly seems to me to be the major blue-print for Brit Pop which wouldn't happen for another 30 years.

    Went for an evening walk along the prom yesterday to get some exercise in lockdown shuffle.


    includes 3 bonus tracks

    A Thousand Years - Sting

    Modern Love - David Bowie
    Puss N Boots - Adam Ant

    The Hounds Of Winter - Sting

    Suger Daddy - Fleetwood Mac

    Mr. Blue Sky - ELO

    Hot Night - Laura Brannigan

    Island Girl - Elton John

    With A Little Help From My Friends - Joe Cocker

    I Want Love - Elton John

    Love Me Do - The Beatles

    Shadow Endeavours - a-ha

    Legend In My Living Room - Annie Lennox

    A Great Day For Freedom - Pink Floyd

    Sowing The Seeds Of Love - Tears For Fears

    After a lot of messing about, 2 near misses and a fortunate piece of timing I managed to get couple of cheap seats at the back at Leeds 2nd night. Was a price I was happy to pay so don't mind the location although even within individual sections the pricing seemed bizarre. Too many special tickets with extras I feel.

    I properly got into Genesis after the We Can't Dance tour had already ended and was looking forward to their next release only for Phil to quit the band. I ended up getting the Congo single but I wasn't as enthused about the CAS line-up so had no inclination to see them live. I was just left picking up the remainder of the back catalogue and any other new releases they put out. I assumed I'd missed my chance of seeing Phil with the band but I promised myself that in the unlikely event he ever returned and toured I would get tickets to see it without hesitation.


    I made good on that promise by going to the Old Trafford gig in 2007. Still the best gig I've been to - not that I've been to many.

    Had a look at Leeds via Live Nation at 9:45 this morning and it showed four tiers of ticket prices. 1 being closest to stage and 4 furthest away:


    1. 183

    2. 136

    3. 90ish

    4. 69ish.


    Thought 3 or 4 seemed reasonable - especially with all the concerns regarding what Phil will be able to so - but unable to find any mulitiple tickets together as possibly a group of 4 of us wanting to go. Best I could bring up was single tickets in Tier 1. Really not sure I'm willing to pay 150% more than I paid for Old Trafford in 2007 - which was the first time I'd managed to see them live - so I didn't take it any further other than letting the rest of my group know the price.


    Had a look again a bit later at 11:30 to see if anything had changed. It had, now it was easy to find blocks of four tickets but the prices had rocketed. Tier 1-3 is £183, most of Tier 4 is £136 although some Platinum tickets in the same area are £161. Last looked about 20mins ago and nothing much has changed. At the minute waiting to see what the rest of my group are going to do. I might suck it and see if they all go but if left to own devices I may give it a miss happy in the knowledge I got the see the Genesis I know best in 2007.


    I've also noticed there are 2 day gaps between each gig. I wonder if there potentially there are some reserve dates in there in case extra nights need to be added to meet demand?

    Not easy and not a reflection on artistic merit, but based on what I tend to enjoy returning to most (for whatever reasons) and how I feel today I would go with:


    Duke

    A Trick Of The Tail

    We Cant Dance

    Abacab

    Invisible Touch

    The Lamb

    Selling England

    Wind & Wuthering

    Foxtrot

    Genesis

    And Then There Were Three

    Nursery Cryme

    Calling All Stations

    Trespass

    From Genesis To Revelation