Posts by Dr. John

    There was an error in the pressing of the original stereo CD's and Rhino offered corrected replacements. I think there was a track index in the wrong place.

    Thank you for clarifying! I will compare the two sets to figure out which one is correct.


    The 5.1 mix is really enjoyable and different. It is great if you want to focus more on the individual parts, particularly if you sit in the middle of the speakers.

    They are definitely extra CDs. The Seconds Out package in the box set has two CDs and a DVD. I'm talking about an additional set of two CDs that look just like the ones in the package, only I have them separately in plain sleeves. They are not the DERs, they are not the older CDs (have these two in their own respective cases).


    So why would I have these?

    I was going through my CDs and noticed something odd. I have a second set of Seconds Out CDs from the Live1973-2007 box set - one in the original packaging in the box set and a second set in individual unlabelled sleeves (but the same design on the CDs themselves). Can anyone with a better memory than me help clarify? Was there an error and a second set of corrected CDs was sent out?

    My picks are going with the crowd:


    IV/Security - I love the consistent sonic atmosphere (mainly due to his use of the Fairlight), the integration of African drumming rhythms, and some stellar songs. The Family and the Fishing Net is my one song to skip.


    III - The album seems so integrated thematically, with every song touching on some aspect of fear and violence. It also has its own unique sound.


    So - Catchy and commercial, but still clever and multi-layered. It has something as straightforward as Sledgehammer and something as left field as Milgram's 37 (although the early live versions are more dramatic).


    But there are a few other albums that could almost make this list for me.

    I find this album OK. The Musical Box is great, but gets better live. Fountain of Salmacis is awesome - also some great bass playing in addition to what others have mentioned. The intro to Hogweed with Steve's tapping harmonized with Tony is great, but the main song doesn't do much for me. I can kinda skip the rest.

    I seem to be falling in with the usual top 3. I prefer live performances of Supper's Ready, but I have to pick it. Watcher does have a fantastic intro and that great machine gun rhythm figure. And Can-Utility is one of Genesis's many great album tracks that never made it to top tier prominence.

    I forgot to mention that the Gimme Sympathy video is essentially all one take, with the band members changing positions and instruments off camera.


    Pip Blorn reminds me a bit of various 90s ear guitar bands, but I also think of X, the LA punk band. Not bad, although not quite what I am most into.


    Now Julia Holter is quite interesting - much more experimental. I am reminded of very different artists depending on what track I listen to, from late 60s Beach Boys to Bjork.

    I watched the Gimme Sympathy video which was OK, then randomly watched Risk which was much more to my taste. That said, I'll be honest and admit I loved ogling the singer's beautiful legs in the Gimme video. Anyway, lovely legs aside, I'll probe Metric a bit more. My jury is still out on Lizzo having watched two videos, R&B isn't a strong point for me but she seems a better quality example of the genre.


    I just recently heard a couple of things by Ghostpoet, do you know his stuff at all? It's got elements of electronica and trip-hop, he's certainly a bit Trickyesque in his delivery. I heard one called something like Nowhere To Hide Now (or Nowhere To Run To maybe) which was really interesting with very nice textures, I recommend it.

    Gimme Sympathy is more poppy and accessible. Risk is a great song and has a nice sense of urgency.


    I've been listening Pixx so far - quite a diversity of stuff, some more minimalist and some richer. Good sense of melody, with a nice alto in the lead singer. Still have to get to the others.


    I know not Ghostpoet, so will add that to the list.

    I think it makes sense for you to prefer the original mixes, because that is what you have been used to. They sound "right" to you. There are some other artists where I can't get into the remixes because, even though the results are better in some respects, they fundamentally change what sounded "right" to my ears after many years of listening.


    I am someone who loved the music of Genesis, but wasn't always a fan of the production and mixes of many of the albums. So it was easier for me to get behind some (but not all) of the remasters and new mixes. The Lamb is one example where I found it hard to perceive some of the instrumentation originally and I like how the new mix opens things up, particularly the drums and Steve's guitar. I found the original mix and production for ATTW3 a bit muddy and unclear, so I like the new mix, which feels clearer and more powerful. Shapes is another example which I feel improved.

    I'm definitely one of those who loves box sets and I have a healthy collection of vinyl too. However, I think I and many of those on this forum are in the minority. My understanding is that vinyl sales have levelled off, so it is not a growing market. So any artist/record company has to determine whether putting out a box set will yield sales that they feel are worth it.


    My hope is that the new tour, whenever that happens, will provide enough refocused interest in the band so that they do feel it is worth rereleasing box sets and perhaps even unreleased archived material.

    I’m sure there would be a market for these, how many fans have the group gained since these box sets were originally released ?. Although no one can ever say a number, i’m guessing adults or young adults who were children or teenagers when these box sets came out would dearly love to own them. Classic rock groups gain many 1,000s of new fans every year - there will definitely be a market for these. I’d take the three sets without thinking if they became available to pre order on re issue. 12 years down the line these deserve a second run, I don’t think it would be a detrimental direction for those who have the rights to take.

    My understanding is that the way people listen to music has changed. Sales of CDs have been steadily dropping due to streaming. People are definitely discovering classic rock groups, but I am not sure that will translate to sales of these kinds of sets.

    If the band took one look at the ridiculous prices people are asking for these sets on eBay maybe then they would re issue them?. £500 for 6 SACDs and dvds. People are just demanding to much and after quick profits?. I don’t know if any of Genesis record company ever come on here to gauge feeling or if any members have contact with people who make the release decisions?. Blu-rays Audio and video of all these with the same content would be excellent . I particularly enjoy the re issue interview sections which surely were filmed in HD?.

    The issue is not how much the sets will go for on eBay, but how many will sell at whatever price. There are small numbers of fans that will pay for these sets, even at high prices. However, are there significantly greater numbers that would buy them if re-released that would make it worthwhile to the band/label?

    I really like some stuff by St. Vincent and her live performances are arresting. But I think I need more time to really into her albums.


    Agree that Lorde's first album is much better than the follow-up. I hope it is not the same for Billie Eillish. Metric is a great Toronto band, mixing retro synth pop sounds and indie guitar band sounds. Check out the song Gimme Sympathy for a taste. Lizzo is fun R&B-ish stuff (and she's a classically-trained flautist).


    I know not Pixx, Pip BLorn, and Julia Holter so I will check them out, especially if you have specific recommendations.


    Thanks for the tip on Imogen's concert. That's my birthday, so it will be a nice birthday activity. I saw her last year in Toronto and she was amazing. I then got to meet her backstage, over which am still pinching myself.

    I got into REM with Lifes Rich Pageant, which remains one of my favourite albums. I then went backwards through to Chronic Town and forward from there. My first tour was the Green tour, which was fabulous and including a good mix of new (at the time) and old, plus a few left field covers. I did see the Monster tour and I did find them standoffish compared to earlier shows.


    For me, the albums Murmur through Automatic for the People are all great. Stylistically there are quite different, with some very jangly, some indie rock, some more pop. After that, I liked some songs but not full albums and thus lost interest after Reveal.


    If I were to pick a representative playlist of some of my favourite songs, it might be:


    Sitting Still - great jangly stuff, with indecipherable lyrics

    Perfect Circle - melancholic, with a lovely piano arrangement

    Can't Get There From Here - idiosyncratic and quirky indie rock

    Begin the Begin - muscular and pre-grungy grunge

    Finest Worksong - confident and melodic rock

    Near Wild Heaven - a great example of the Beach Boys influence on REM

    Sweetness Follows - a tender, poignant, and meditative song

    At My Most Beautiful - one of their only straightforward love songs and another obvious Beach Boys nod

    Like several others, PG is number one for me. I have enjoyed all his main releases and the Passion soundtrack. 3 through So rank with my favourite albums period.


    Next is PC, primarily the first 3. After that, my interest wanes as I found his work increasingly bland (although the big band stuff was cool).


    The remainder I have listened to various solo albums and even seen SH live. I have liked some of what I have heard, but not enough to commit to purchasing albums. The ones that I liked most were SH's first 3, TB's ACF, and MR's SD.

    Little Richard, age 87. He was classic early rock and roll, screaming, hollering, whooping. Intense, manic, and a little unhinged. Amazing the songs he released in just a couple of years on Specialty.