Posts by IWishItWouldRainDown

    Agreed about the 90's videos. I was younger back then, but as I remember it most videos were less a "visual story set to music," and more just artists/bands standing around singing in a city during wintertime, or a band in some living room playing as if on stage. Indeed-mostly for promo purposes only, rather than straight up its own form of entertainment.

    Hear, hear!


    Even I noticed the change myself, being a toddler then.

    My favourites are 'Going Back', 'Do I Love You' and 'You Really Got A Hold On Me', which are fantastic. I also voted 'Blame It on the Sun' and 'Standing on the Shadows of Love'. Going Back is my least favourite album by PC. In fact I like it (imagine the other ones), but it is because the album is saved by his voice. PC can sing everything including the phone book and it will be fantastic. But apart from some exceptions, IMO most of the material is in itself awful (I don't like Motown). The songs would not seem out of place in a cult session and the lyrics verge on emotional blackmail and harassment.

    Just a few observations before I close with this topic:

    Most of Oasis' fanbase are not working-class by any means, quite the contrary.

    And the other way round, most blue-collar workers don't like the band at all.

    The stance of the band itself is quite classist, showing a strong contempt for the working-class and Middle England.

    I don't think Oasis is a pub-rock band (Dr Feelgood were a good band of that genre).

    The general opinion in England towards the GG is very negative, myself included.

    Going with Iron Maiden equivalents, imagine some members at the Irons' chat throwing up their hands because more than one fellow dared to criticise Sharon Osbourne (the Ironers know what I mean).

    Ah that's bit of an outlandish claim there, in all fairness. I don't know what constitutes an iconic music video

    It may be my perception, but I think that from '92 onwards music videos at large stopped having the X-factor they had until '91. Some got more expensive, but the general visual appeal they used to have became suddenly uncommon. If you remember, music video-making got lazy in the '90s. Music video got less cared about, becoming more than another way of promotion rather than a central instrument to put the song into the collective consciousness. That what I meant for iconic. What I wanted to say that for me Jesus He Knows Me is the last great music video from the classic era (although it ended the year before). Although that doesn't mean that there haven't been any good music videos afterwards.

    I think the narrowback unibrow goblins in question always had a psycho-sexual crush on Mr Collins, hence their obsessive slagging-off of him.

    (Ten or fifteen years earlier PC's answer would have been far more aggressive.)

    Some other examples of their nastiness.

    They wished AIDS on Blur at a pre-HAART time.

    Blur would put the other cheek.

    They called Michael Hutchence from InXS a finished man in public when it was well-known that he was in the middle of some serious psychological problems.

    Shortly afterwards, he would commit suicide.

    And more, more, more things...while they always get away with them.

    There are also their anti-democratic, IRA and misogynistic tendencies.

    Now they start insulting their own fans.

    Whatever...

    And no, they have not become less nasty as they get older.

    The fact is that the biggest bastards are also the biggest arse-lickers of all toadies, apart from being the prickliest ones.

    PS: They also envy PC for having two eyebrows while they have only one.

    I absolutely can't stand Oasis. I tried so hard to like them when everybody else did and I bought Definitely Maybe too, but I couldn't get it over the line. Eyewateringly derivative music and hellishly ear-torturing production. They just took obvious influences from the past, added distortion, excessive compression and a Manc twang, then declared themselves a musical revolution. Odious individuals too.

    You have defined his recordings perfectly except for one point.

    They don't have Manc twang at all.

    Their speech is gibberish, a completely different thing.

    Give your head a wobble.

    Among those with mint Manc twang one could find Mark E Smith and New Order.

    And I'm not against media hype due to sales factors.


    What I'm against is profile-boosting due to favouritism unrelated to either talent or sales factors.


    That's all.

    It's [...] essentially a simple whiny case of "it's not FAIR!"

    The Elliot/Leppard tangent is daft though. [...] All the acts he gripes about* are either bigger sellers or otherwise culturally significant in some way, and all are successful on their own terms as well as having many detractors as happens when that high a profile is attained. He seems to have made his own straw man there.


    * A qualifier - I realise that published interviews can distort what's been said for the sake of sparking some additional interest so I don't rule that out in this case.

    Well, he was not reclaiming only himself or his band, but other bands and singers.

    And in truth, Depeche Mode have had some brutal sales throughout their career, not to mention their influence. Iron Maiden likewise.

    But how many times they have got any mentioning from the key media players? :?::/

    Taylor Swift is probably the biggest selling artist at the moment. Does that mean she should be treated as if she were as good as the Beatles? No, it does not.

    I think Ms Swift is better than the Beatles (no provocation intended) and you know I'm no fan of hers. Just an observation from my own.

    My answer to Backdrifter was that if it's a market question why other singers the with the same sales number or even higher are not given the same level of media attention?


    The issue is that there are some singers and bands (among them the Gallaghers) who are always over-promoted and continuously mentioned regardless of musical talent or for being the best-selling ones, but because of croynism, as they are well-connected with the tastemakers.


    This is the key point of Elliott's statement:

    Our album will sell more than Morrissey’s so why don’t we get the same kind of respect? There are more people than Bono and Michael Stipe [...]. Whether it’s Simon Le Bon, Gary Kemp, Bruce Dickinson or me, there are more musicians out there.



    What he was asking for was that, since his band sold more, they should at least be treated the same regard, not even better, to the favourites of the Privy Council of Coolness.