Posts by Lazlor

Hey Christian - I haven't listened to the track (never managed to 'get' PT), but the first thing that popped into my mind when reading you was that there might be a clue in the album title (?)

Very sorry that you had to go through such difficult times, and happy you found confort in the music.

Take care!

(First song that set the wheels in motion for me: The Musical Box on the Live album.)

Foxtrot

Ah yes, I certainly don't agree with your last bit re. Dancing Out... (But I was only agreeing about FoF anyhow)

I totally agree re. Firth of Fifth.

'nough said

OK, not just Steve's parts: without the instrumental parts that are absent from the trio's live version. I like the SEBTP version as is, with EVERYONE's contribution. Of course, the main instrumental part is Steve's guitar solo (the famous tapping part), that lifts the song to an entire other level as far as just about everyone is concerned.

We certainly agree that it was a band effort - which is exactly what I was saying yesterday.

But you should go back and listen to the piece again.

As for who brought what, it seems the main bits were from Gabriel and him - but it's difficult to find conclusive evidence other than aural - and again, his guitar is all over that tune.

I'm not reducing it to anything - the trio did that when playing it live.

And Hackett certainly is a major presence on the SEBTP version. Only here would people dispute that.

You do realize you're putting an awful lot of words in my mouth, dontcha ? (Sounds painful!)

Nowhere am I saying that Hackett composed a lot in those days (although you forget the whole middle section/guitar solo of Moonlit Knight - the end is as much Rutherford as Hackett anyway). I was saying he left his mark in the arranging as well—as you put it, 'greatly contributing to the sound'—, also influencing the writing decisions (since just about everything was scrutinized by all) and (with Gabriel, obviously) steering the band in directions it would never go later on.

When he finally left there was nobody left to counterbalance Banks's overpowering presence, which is why everything kind of sounds like a Banks/Collins solo album from then on...

Why just the final part? Hackett's all over this one.

It's a bit like saying Cinema Show would be just as good without the instrumental parts, isn't it...

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No, not necessarily imo, good songs have been penned individually, as a trio, as a band or as a Duo. I love Steve's contribution to DWTMK. I strongly disagree that without that, it would be forgettable.

It would be a song within the usual, universal, boring song format (as heard on the trio's live outings) - not the formidable piece of Genesis music that it is

Well... the really good pieces are the ones they all contributed to, aren't they? We all heard what Dancing Out with the Moonlit Knight sounds like without Steve, for instance: a nice ditty, instantly forgotten.

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Here is the one contradiction in the whole “they went to hell in a hand basket after Hackett left” argument: Hackett himself claims he left because he wasn’t getting enough of his ideas through on the albums. If that’s true (as Hackett himself claims), his impact on the music of the “golden era” was, by his own admission, not as substantial as was the input from other members.

He still left his unmistakable mark. But in fact the decay was already making itself felt with W&W... One example: the unbearably sugary 'One for the Vine' or 'Your Own Special Way' (er... that's two, innit). ATTWT has its moments, but after that there were... no more 'rock' guitars.

And that period in time saw the end of the prog rock era as a whole, definitely.

Not sure what you mean by 'facts and figures', but why argue? It's shorthand for something we all understand: a very specific period (that also happens to be THE defining era of the band) and that cannot easily be described any other way.

Ribbing =/= trolling.

Mind you, as explained elsewhere, the term serves a purpose, even though I'd rather say the 'prog era' : this includes Trespass, which I love to bits.

Not trolling: just voicing unpopular opinions without sugar-coating them. And that's all too much for some people here, apparently.

I find this especially weird as the importance of the band in the grand scheme of things is just about universally recognized as centering on the er... Hackett era

It's been a very long time since I heard CAS, I have to say. Bought it when it came out, listened to it a few times and that was it.

But I certainly agree, Banks's keyboards were the heart of the band in so many ways. Those Pro-Soloist lines on SEBTP, that Mellotron on Watcher of the Skies or Seven Stones, that organ on Musical Box, etc. etc. etc. Love 'em

Bankstatement was a bit different, wasn't it? And much better than IT and WCD as far as I'm concerned. But he still needed a rock guitarist, same as with his main gig... Think what Thursday the Twelfth might have sounded like with Steve Morse on the six-string!

An old and relatively obscure gem, William Sheller's Lux Aeterna :

It's meant to be some sort of wedding mass but works perfectly well as an instrumental piece that mixes pop/rock and classical influences to rather stunning effect!

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in all fairness, people keep asking him the question....but is a very old story and not sure anyone has too much interest in something that is well documented and happened over 40 years ago!

Indeed, and in fact I can't be bothered to watch the video. But since he's the keeper of the flame, so to speak, the question is bound to pop up on a regular basis!