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cool. I'm not familiar with the band but will check them out. I'm not the biggest fan of live stripped down acoustic versions of songs that are 'big' in the studio but anything different can be interesting for sure. I remember the 1997/98 media presentations when they did acoustic versions of no son of mine and a couple others (I think) and they were nice.

Very good band, started life in 1984, I'd recommend 1989's First Love/Last Rites (the last album before the break-up) and the 2006 reformation album, I Don't Want To Save The World as best start points, but Peter Kingsbery (band leader and pretty much the songwriter on his own) has 4 solo albums from the intervening years, all of which are very good, hard to pick one over the others, though the last one, Mon Inconnue, is almost exclusively sung in French.

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Sigh. That is my point. Exactly. Genesis have never been that kind of band. I think they should have been, and they could be on this (probably) last tour. Their catalog is too deep to choose only two and a half hours to play every night.

As for being wrong about songs being untouchable? You know what, Phil could go out and not play in the air tonight. And Genesis really (really) could go out and not play I can't dance/invisible touch. And they wouldn't be lynched. They'd be fine, and so would the audience. they might even get some kudos for having the balls to omit a big hit. The crowd would get to hear something else from the band. This is not some wooly personal desire to hear an impossible set full of can utility or feeding the fire or whatever. I'd just like to see them branch out when the opportunity is there. Even a couple substitutions of like for like would be better than nothing; for example, instead of playing firth of fifth every night, have three or four similar length songs that could rotate into that slot (eg firth/hogweed/get em out by Friday/one for the vine). Instead of invisible touch every night switch it out for misunderstanding/that's all/Jesus he knows me.

That's all. Nothing earth shattering. I think it would make it more exciting, and do their catalog more justice.

There is another option, used by my second favourite band, Cock Robin. (No. 1? Not Genesis, I'm afraid.) Do the hits, but along with other songs, re-arrange them completely. They do some songs totally like the studio cuts, some a bit different, but, on the 1990 tour, as featured in their live at Paris Grand Rex video, Just Around the Corner, a full Bass/drums/keyboards/electric guitar track, was done by the band leader, Peter Kingsbery, as a vocal and acoustic guitar song. Great version, great audience reaction.

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Ian, you're an adult. So why debase yourself by manipulating the title?

I haven't! The fact you don't like me criticizing the mess that too many people with too little relevance had too little focus to do properly is your problem, not mine.

Most band documentaries are going to disappoint a lot of fans, particularly with a band who cover so many styles and eras, but this one went nuclear in that respect. Almost NO-ONE liked it, even within the band it seems.

One of the b-sides of the era, probably.

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That's fair enough, you like what you like and don't what you don't.

I occasionally have this discussion with prog fans who say Genesis and the members you mentioned "sold out", and will by comparison praise prog acts who (as you put it) stayed true to form. For me, that too often translates as 'bands who kept doing pretty much the same thing'. I find it hard to respect such bands, but I tend to like acts that develop and evolve. If a band you like evolves in a way you happen to not like, so be it. Any decent band will change as they go along while knowing they might lose some fans, but perhaps attract new ones.

One of these "Genesis sold out" guys once said, look at Barclay James Harvest (which I'd rather not but never mind) - he said he didn't much like their later stuff but all kudos to them for only playing their older proggier stuff at gigs. Personally I think that's pretty crap - I have zero respect for a band that puts out new material, has no faith in it and wallows in their ancient history like they've become their own tribute act.

I totally get Genesis fans disliking the later trio "commercial" work. I have no major problem with that material but understand the antipathy to it, but it was absolutely not them "selling out".

Incidentally, I think Hackett made a pretty clear bid for commercial success with songs like The Show, Cell 151, some of Cured, the move to incorporate world music on... whatever that album's called - and why not? Nothing wrong with a professional musician wanting hits. Invisible Men was a transparent attempt by Phillips to achieve a poppier more commercial sound. OK it didn't work but so what that he had a go.

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I don't know who your friend was, but he was clearly stoned at the BJH gigs, cos they played stuff from all eras, but mainly the later songs at later gigs. They also made some great albums (and yes, some fairly bad albums, and it didn't even follow logic, Ring of Changes, 1983, was one of their best, the following album, Victims of Circumstance, 1984, same producer, same studio, was appalling), their 1989 album, Welcome to the Show, for me, is a better album than anything Genesis came up with as an album from then onwards.

Steve did try to get commercial, and have a hit single, at the request of Charisma! The Show did not chart (in the UK, at any rate! I believe it was a hit in Denmark) but Cell 151 did get to no 66. Not enough for Charisma, they let him go.

Generally, the artist has little control over what TV stations use as theme's or elsewhere, lots of local stations used stuff from Spectral Mornings as backing music and stuff, all too long ago to remember.

As to Sum of the Farts, Steve and Ant may not have had the commercial success the others had, (Except Tony. Shame, that!) but to exclude him completely from a documentary that was "claimed" to focus on the collective and solo works of it's members is just wrong. And unjustifiable, except in the mind of one person. Can we guess who?

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Ph.D. - Ph.D.

Superb album!

To be honest, it was all done in a hurry, as the site was closing soon. I didn't have time to check what was downloaded, and it was done with a tool, so I guess it might have lost connection at times, or maybe some other issue. As you say, it was a lot of threads!

Watched "Searching" last night, it's available on streaming sites, a superb film with 2 interesting twists:

1/ everything you see is on a screen, either a computer, CCTV or TV. Not the first to do this, I believe, but very effectively done.

2/ Sorry, you'll have to watch it for the second twist. It'd spoil it if I told you.

If you've unzipped it in the downloads folder, I guess you have no option but to copy them over. Might be quicker to isolate the files that were already in the download folder and then copy everything over.

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I downloaded the zip file and unpacked the contents. There are over 25k files and I was able to find the one entitled "index". I clicked on it and it took me to a webpage where the forum reappeared.

Two questions:

1. Can I now delete all of these files as it appears I can navigate from the web page with all of the contents available?

2. Can you search the forum for topics or is that feature no longer available?

thanks

Paul

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No you can't delete them, as they are what you are accessing, there is no webpage, you are accessing the files you have downloaded.

The search feature does not work, it was part of the original host software. You can use the search feature in Windows Explorer to find words within the files, that's as good as it gets, I'm afraid.

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Great story, lovely reminiscence and well told.

Yes I'm sure your very accommodating early morning cafe lady no doubt made sure to capitalise on there being a group of hungry schoolkids at a loose end at 6am. Though knowing the natural warmth and friendliness of Highlanders I think there'd also have been an element of genuinely wanting to look after the kids.

And - burgers for breakfast! That must have seemed like a treat. I bet in some ways that's still one of the best burgers you've ever had.

Just think, I've probably walked past the site of that cafe hundreds of times. I don't suppose there's any chance you'd recall roughly where it was eg near the river, near the station, etc?

Travelling to or from here by overnight train is very nice, especially coming back - going to sleep in the outskirts of London or Watford, waking up as the train makes its way through the mountains, moorlands and crisp air of northern Scotland... Great way to travel.

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It was a pretty good burger, as I recall, and I think it wasn't too far from the river, we'd certainly been down near there.

I guess moving the gigs back removes the need to refund for now?

Free Andy Partridge track "Cavegirl" available to download at Burning Shed. You need to register or already have registered with them to get it.

A small Inverness story:

July, 1971, I'm on school organised trip to Harris, Outer Hebrides, aged 12 and a half, there are about 50 of us. The trip included a coach to Liverpool, train to Glasgow, walk across Glasgow at about 10 pm to the other station for a train to Inverness. We arrive 5am, and have a 2 hour wait for a coach to take us to Kyle of Lachalsh for the ferry to sky.

It's a lovely morning, sun is shining and already high in the sky, relative to many places, being so far north. So we all split into our little groups, me with 2 others wander off around the town. But it's not such a big place, and so we keep bumping into others, and needless to say, we, collectively, aren't as quiet as we should be.

Around 6 am, we have woken the owner of a local café, who clearly knows an opportunity when she hears it. Cue freshly grilled burgers and hot drinks. This was the 22nd year the trip had been done (and the last, we went comprehensive the following year, and the teacher who organised it moved on, or retired) so I suspect she probably had an inkling we would be around, but it's a morning (and a trip) that has stayed with me ever since. Including hitching a lift from our campsite to Tarbert, Harris's main town, and getting a lift part-way from Lord Pilkington, driving from his holiday home to his private fishing lake!

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Have always enjoyed Amanda's voice when she has joined Steve on tour.

She has an EP out - heard a couple of songs and very impressed

If you mean "Shadow" it's about 10 years old now, but it is superb, I wish she had done a whole album.

2 lost today.

Not to Covid19: Stirling Moss, the history books won't show it, but a better driver than James Hunt, Nigel Mansell and Damon Hill to name but 3.

Lost to Covid19: Tim Brooke-Taylor. Not only known for the Goodies, he was also a regular on "I'm Sorry I Haven't a Clue", before that "I'm Sorry I'll Read That Again" (Cast, the Goodies plus John Cleese, Jo Kendal and David Hatch, the latter became boss of BBC radio 2 some years later) and Hello Cheeky, a radio sketch show with John Junkin and Barry Cryer.

RIP both!

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One of my favourite comedians - his one liners are brilliant. He is great live

Saw him in Wrexham a few weeks ago, for the second time. He is brilliant, and if you can find them, his BBC Radio 4 show, "The very world of Milton Jones" is worth a listen.

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1972 prog folk from USA

Much of the backing band on Blue Jays, a Threshold (Moody Blues own label) release.

Quote from FeelItComing

My husband actually got to see her on her first tour, at the Sunderland Empire. I am so jealous. She's THE female singer songwriter as far as I'm concerned.

I was lucky enough to see her at her first official gig (She apparently played a "warm-up" the previous night in Poole, Dorset) at Liverpool Empire, April 79, still have the ticket, programme and other bumph that came that night including the note explaining that, due to physical constrains, Hammer Horror would be mimed as you couldn't sing and dance that much simultaneously.

Memories of the night: pub next door ran out of beer pre-gig!

2 dancers and a magician on stage with her at times, magician was named something like Simon Drake.

Kevin McAlea on keyboards, went on to work with Barclay James Harvest and translate 99 Luftballons into English for Nena.

Kate wore the very first head mounted mike, designed for her, and all went well until Them Heavy People, which involved the dancers, some mirrored binlids with swivel handles that were used to reflect the lights into the crowd, and some wire fences mounted on castors which were danced around. As Kate stepped back at one point, the mike hooked in the wire, and ripped off her head. Someone rushed on with a hand held radio mike, which had to be used for the next song. Ironically, that turned out to be the biggie, Wuthering Heights.

Whole night very "by the script", hardly surprising given the pressure and nervousness etc, but there were comments from the crowd like "talk to us, Kate" - the only unscripted response I recall was the word "Supercool".

Gig in 3 separate movements with short intervals. Every album track from both albums played bar one, forget which.

There were moments during the gig when it became clear her voice was more powerful than the records had captured, particularly on James and the cold gun.

The atmosphere after the gig was like a party, waiting for the train home, everyone was buzzing, like we really had just witnessed "something". Some girls up the platform were listening to the cassette they'd recorded in there. James, a lad from Reading who was with us, had a small rip in the seam of his jeans. by the time he got off the train, he was wearing the most useless pair of trousers in the world, with all 4 main seams torn so he was effectively wearing 2 pieces of V shaped denim joined to a waistband!

Sunset Wading - John G Perry