Posts by DecomposingMan

    Were there any proper B sides for this album, and if not, was it the only Genesis album without any?

    Well, GENESIS was the only Genesis studio album of the post-Gabriel years not to have any associated non-album B-sides. There weren't all that many non-album tracks released in the Gabriel era, of which some were A-sides rather than B-sides, and not all the albums had any associated with them.

    The only studio leftover was “A Call To Arms”, which Mike subsequently used on the first Mike & the Mechanics album. Details here (look in the “Background and recording” section) :

    It's a stretch calling ACTA a "studio leftover" since it was just a "bit" that Mike and his co-writers built a song around, rather than an actual leftover song, as some seem to think is was. (I've read a professional review of the first M+M album where the writer assumed that Tony Banks wrote the lyrics to ACTA.)

    I'm not 'offended' by IA's lyrics and video, I just find them bafflingly naff.

    According to the lyrics the guy seems to be trying to get into the U.S. as a "tourist," with the intent of just staying there. Doesn't have a lot to do with real-life illegal aliens, does it? And the lyrics never confirm that he actually becomes an illegal alien at any point.

    As for the album as a whole, I've expressed my main beef with it a few times before: It should have included the full versions of "Mama" and (especially) "It's Gonna Get Better" that were on the 12" single. I've put together a custom version of the disc for myself that has those instead of the shorter versions.

    As for the album cover, I never had a strong opinion about it one way or the other. (It did strike me as a bit gimmicky that the original illustration for "Just a Job To Do" on the inside was changed from a generic cartoon detective to Dick Tracy. I always thought the former was more fitting.)

    ...Steve's Genesis Revisited, the 1996 single album... is not only vastly superior to the "way-too-safe" GR2, but also improves on the originals in 2 or 3 cases.

    I'm with you as far as GR2 not being that good, as it's the only Hackett studio album I don't have; I listened to it once and never wanted to hear any of it again. But in which cases would you say the versions on GR improve on the originals? I never thought that any of them improved on the originals, and that only a couple of them (FAF, YOSW) were even worthwhile alternate versions.

    I guess the scans on discogs are not what you are talking about?

    I don't look at the booklet much myself, but a lot of what I see here for Archive #1 doesn't look familiar. Either mine is missing pages (I thought I bought it new, though), or I just don't remember all of it.

    BTW, I find it interesting that John Silver appears in the pictures about 10 times, Chris Stewart once, and John Mayhew not at all.

    In the past there have been discussions of songs where the title isn't said in the lyrics, songs where the title is almost (but not quite) said in the lyrics, and songs whose titles appear in the lyrics of other songs. Well, here's another one...

    How many Genesis songs can you think of where the title is mentioned in the lyrics, but only once and in passing -- i.e., in such a way that a casual listener wouldn't be likely to recognize it as the title? Here are some examples:


    Burning Rope



    Evidence of Autumn

    More Fool Me

    Seven Stones

    Where the Sour Turns to Sweet

    White Mountain

    Any others?

    Maybe it's not there in some releases of the album, but the ones I've seen clearly credit David H. for backing vocals on "Man of Our Times." Apparently he's in the mix of harmonies and not individually prominent.

    What about Duchess? I always thought Tony and Mike were singing along with Phil in the choruses.

    Yes, I believe that's the case.

    Great album (I presume you have it)

    Nope, never heard anything by Greenslade. I had to do some research to find the answer to the question.

    OK, my turn:

    What somewhat unusual thing do these albums have in common?

    Tony Banks - The Fugitive

    Genesis - The Way We Walk, Volume 2: The Longs

    Steve Hackett - Spectral Mornings

    Anthony Phillips - Sides

    Note that there are other Genesis-related albums that could be listed, particularly ones by Steve... but no others by Genesis themselves.

    Twilight Alehouse got a unique Banks/Gabriel/Hackett/Phillips/Rutherford credit on Archive #1.

    I don't know if your copy says something different, but mine just says Banks/Gabriel/Phillips/Rutherford.

    Anyway, I'm sure there are a number of errors in the credits currently given in Wikipedia, and here are a few places where I particularly think something may be off:

    Dusk - Music: Phillips, Rutherford

    I don't have any definite information, but I would bet that the simple verse melody in the demo version on ARCHIVE #1 represents what Ant & Mike initially came up, while the different verse melody on the final TRESPASS version would be the work of Peter. The latter is much more complex and interesting, and covers a much larger vocal range -- something a strong singer would come up with.

    The Cinema Show - Lyrics: Rutherford, Banks

    I read somewhere that Peter contributed "Romeo" and "Juliet" to the lyrics.

    Aisle of Plenty - Music: Gabriel

    This song repeats enough of the music from "Moonlit Knight" to make me question whether at least one other member's musical contribution is included. Specifically, isn't that progression that's heard in the fadeout the work of Steve?

    If there is one thing put me off buying an Album it's coloured vinyl . If there there one thing worse than coloured vinyl, it's white vinyl.

    Just curious... why do you say that?

    BTW, I've never had much colored vinyl myself. Years ago I had a white vinyl copy of the Beatles' "White Album" once (I called it a "picture disc of the cover") and as far as I recall it sounded fine. I had a clear red vinyl LP from another artist that also sounded fine. Currently I have a picture-disc single (made in Japan) from yet another artist; it sounds awful, but it was about the only way to get the recording in question.

    I've noticed recently that the Wikipedia articles for the albums from TRESPASS thru THE LAMB LIES DOWN ON BROADWAY are naming the "actual writers" of all the songs, with lyrics and music listed separately. The citation given for all this information is "Genesis 1967 to 1975 - The Peter Gabriel Years" by Mario Giammetti.

    For the most part, my reaction to these is "Yeah, I knew that" or "Uh-huh, OK, I can see that." In some cases it's "Really??" or "Hmm, something seems to be missing."

    Does anyone have any thoughts about this information? If it's accurate, then the only individual credits we're missing from the Gabriel era are the pre-TRESPASS tracks, "Happy The Man" and "Twilight Alehouse" (although I'd bet the official Banks-Gabriel-Phillips-Rutherford credit on that one is accurate).

    The one thing that always sticks in my mind whenever I play that album though is the fact "Four Winds East" which is credited to Hackett/Fenner is really an uncredited cover of "The Supernatural" composed by Peter Green.

    I'd love to ask Steve about that.

    "Four Winds East" is also identically the same recording (other than some slight trimming at the beginning and end) that was previously released as "The Well at the World's End," one of the bonus tracks on the Japanese edition of DARKTOWN.

    As one who prefers not to have the same track in more than one place, I have omitted "East" from my CDR copy of BEYOND. (I never play original CDs, only CDR copies.) As it turns out, "South" actually flows quite nicely into "West."

    Played the original version as I prefer the running order, but "Doll" is better on the newer version as it's a lot longer, and it'd have been nice to have the outtake, "Just The Bones" included

    What "newer version" is that? Is it the extended "Doll" from the 12" single, with the instrumental B-side version merged onto the end (5:55 total according to the label)? I never knew that was released in any digital form.

    I agree that "Just the Bones" is one of the most "why hasn't this been released on CD?" tracks in existence. (BTW, the label on the 12" gives the time as 6:58, but it's actually only about 5:52.)