I also like pop music. I just don't want to hear Genesis making pop music, because I think they were better as a rock band. It's all down to personal taste.
I feel the same, nothing wrong with pop but it is not what I want to hear from Genesis. Obviously a matter of taste but I would dispute they wrote good pop songs. I am more likely to turn up the volume and sing along while driving if, say Wham or Abba come up but Invisible Touch or Misunderstanding? No thanks.
I also have Red, which is great but I cannot listen to it too often. Have to be in the mood for it.
The third one, I have, is The Power To Believe, which some how leaves me cold.
King Crimson and Van der Graaf Generator are the two major prog acts, that give me a real challenge....
This completely mirrors my experience with KC. I do love Discipline though.
I have a lot of friends who love Radiohead but I have never been able to get into their music. While I may like the odd song they have done I cannot listen to a whole album of theirs
I am with you on this one but taste aside, what baffles me the most is the inevitable introduction: 'If you are a Genesis fan you are going to love Radiohead'.
Well, I fail to see the connection really.
Yes in the 80's could have fallen flat on its face, but they got reasonably lucky with Drama, despite losing Anderson and Wakemen. I think it's a fairly solid album, certainly better than Tormato, and Big Generator was a reasonable follow up to 90125. I may be in a minority also liking their 1994 album Talk. Throughout the Rabin era, I liked the vocal interplay between him and Anderson. It's good when a band has two singers that work well together, like The Who with Daltry and Townsend, Supertramp with Hodgeson & Davies, Depeche Mode with Gahan & Gore.
Well, to be fair, although I like Talk, they haven't really released anything as strong as 90125 after that, except perhaps, ironically the A,B,H, W album. Drama is imo a very good album, marred by Horn's singing but the songs are very good. True, they lost Wakeman and Anderson, the latter was a particularly heavy casualty in the songwriting department but they somehow made up for that. As for Rabin, I like his paying very much, I can live without his singing, I find it anonymous.
The first side of Shapes is excellent, I agree. Mama is my joint favourite Genesis single along with Turn it on Again. The second side sounds like they ran out of ideas, although I do have a soft spot for Silver Rainbow. Illegal Alien is simply embarassing. Duke is a strong album, and a turning point for Genesis, but had it not included Misunderstanding and Please don't ask then it would have trumped 90125 as a complete package. I like every track on 90125. I think Trevor Horn's production certainly helps bring the music alive. I would have liked Genesis to have made an album with him.
Personally I believe comparisons between Duke and 90125 don't really apply. They are not far apart in time but they belonged to different eras which began with Abacab and 90125 and while Genesis is my favorite band, I agree 90125, purely by the strength of the material but also because of Horn was stronger. Yes have always been lucky with producers, Offord first, Horn later. Genesis struggled in that department, Phil always complained they never sounded as good as they really were on record, up to Abacab. I agree that omitting PDA and Misunderstanding would have made Duke a stronger album. I love the former, it's beautiful, poignant and I happen to know what he sings about but it isn't a Genesis song. It's a very personal, divorce song and it sounds awkward on the album. I also happen to think Genesis weren't probably the right band for that song and I remember Phil saying he had a hard time explaining Tony what he wanted from the piano. Skills weren't obviously the problem. Misunderstanding, well, I am repeating myself but I loathe everything about it: the pedestrian piano riff which sounds like somebody was learning to play the piano which was probably the case, the inane lyrics, the asinine video....Everything.
90125, is better than anything Genesis recorded after Duke. It gives Duke a run for it's money too, IMO.
I have to disagree on both accounts. IMO Duke is simply great and even the first side of Shapes, for my money is better but we can definitely talk about the rest, I agree on that.
Does anybody know whether he played on Paul Young's Wonderland? I always thought it sounded like him.
I would say that most of my musical influences came from AM radio in my youth. Today, classic rock radio stations are repetitive and don't represent the massive catalogue of great music that spanned the last 50 years. It's a shame.
I have been saying for quite some time now that schools should introduce kids to these things which are getting lost and forgotten and are imo tantamount to any cultural-patrimony. Same for films, books are sort of a lost cause unfortunately but kids don't know about Elvis, the Beatles and what followed. Same with Casablanca, Gone with the wind or even the Godfather. The goal is not to get them to like them but just to know them, of course while providing some context.
There is cultural history there and it is vanishing.
If you are a fan of Phil Collins, you have a multitude of guest appearances, cowrites and productions to choose from (compare that to Tony Banks who never did anything for anyone). Phil sure enjoyed being busy. He had to be in at least two bands at all times and doing guest appearances when those weren't busy. Anywho, what are some of your favorite moments of Phil outside of Genesis/Solo works?
I was just enjoying the Tina Turner back catalog today and was surprised to hear Phil on "Typical Male". Which btw, is typical Phil! He sure makes everything better, doesn't he?
To save time, you should always say what you mean. It avoids you having to explain yourself
To save time, you should try being less pedantic. Thanks 
I really like the quasi-title track "Walking On The Chinese Wall".
Beautiful song, wonderful arrangement.
You can't be that massive a fan if you couldn't make out Phil's vocals on Sweet Little Mystery! As I already confirmed earlier, Phil provided both drums and backing vocals to Grace And Danger.
I meant he didn't produce it, unlike Glorious Fool. Relax. And for the record, I have ALL JM's albums..
I was 14 I believe, and it was the Beatles Collection 62-66. Cassette….Super 8 of course 
Peter Gabriel 3. What else?! Of course his work with Robert Plant is up there too.
Has to be, hasn't it? After all that collaboration defined the drums sound for over a decade. I am not particularly keen on his collaborations with either Plant or Clapton, they sound to me like celebrities collaborations but of course there's never anything wrong with Phil's playing. Being a massive John Martyn fan I very much like Phil's work on Grace and Danger, where he played only and Glorious Fool which Phil also produced, quite brilliantly imo.
I don't care what anyone says about the re-pitching, PC's performance of this one on the 07 tour was superb. Well, at the shows I went to.
I am glad you enjoyed it but I truly cannot agree there. The reason is simple, as I said before, I believe Mama is one of Phil's top vocal performances, both in terms of power and expression. It remains however a power song: the growling, the high pitched screaming, you try to sing along and you can literally feel the damage on the throat. if you take those elements away and he did it, because he didn't have them anymore, the song suffers and it sounds….'mutilated' to my ears. He did imo a fine job, he is after a consummate singer and knows how to work around his limitations with what he has at his disposal, but what he had was too little for that kind of song imo.
Oops, just noticed, that the John Martyn comment belongs into another thread...
John Martyn comments are appropiate everywhere imo
Mama is one hell of a song, arguably one of Phil's best vocal performances with the band and imo what the band should have sounded like in the 80s but for my money, as openers go, it doesn't come anywhere near to The Musical Box, DWTMK, Behind the Lines and Volcano.
90125 is a GREAT album, not as good as Fragile or Going for the one imo but I had much less trouble with it than with Abacab for instance, the material is really strong, it was also the album that made me realize something I had been unaware of: I don't really like Howe's sound. An incredible guitarist but I am not a fan of his sound. The all time I was listening to Yes and thinking how great they were but something was bothering me and I couldn't put my finger on it. When Rabin got on board it became clear. Of course it didn't help that both Howe and Wakeman would play a lot, sometimes too much and often at each other trying to compete but it is really Howe's sound that slightly grates me.
Thanks Slowdancer, I was about to release my inner-teenager, retreat to my back-bedroom and play ‘Follow You, Follow Me,’ on the headphones with a cry of ‘nobody loves me!’
Many too many was my song of choice for that particular mood back in the days
To the beach….
