Posts by Schrottrocker

Ok, saw Bohemian Rhapsody today and yes, it is really nice. I wished it would have showed more details of the Queen history but it is understandable it focuses on Freddie Mercury in the first place - Brian, Roger and John always appear as a team except for one little scene when Freddie shows Roger his new house, also these three never seem to age and Roger still has his long hair in the 80s - nonetheless, the movie is good entertainment and everything about Freddie's private life looks authentic enough. I enjoyed it

Gonna see Bohemian Rhapsody tomorrow. I'll let you know how I liked it

Cloudy right now but overall we can enjoy a lovely warm November. The bad thing is it is still too dry and the forecasts predict no change at all. If we're unlucky, this too warm and too dry period will continue right into the next "mother of all heat waves" summer. I really hope we won't run out of drinking water as some already predict.

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I think that's just a guitar sound. I've heard such a sound being done by momentarily turning the volume knob all the way down when the string is picked (to hide the "attack" sound), then immediately and quickly turning it back up. I'm not sure whether that's what Steve does on I&O or IA, but I imagine he's at least done it in other places.

Yes a nice example is that one little part in Can-Utility. Well at least in Icarus it sounds like something else because the notes don't seem to be muted. If I should make a wild guess I would say Steve played a guitar (or another instrument) with a violin bow.

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I love that I can still learn new things about Genesis songs. I didn't know any of that, thanks for those nuggets! What exactly is he doing on the intro/outro of IKWIL? I presume either Banks didn't have a tantrum on those occasions perhaps because he realised PG's contributions sounded good, or he did but got overruled.

Apologies to DecomposingMan I'm helping us to stray from the intended topic; in the first half of Aisle of Plenty, there are couple of sustained notes on what sounds like a cello. Could it be one, played by Rutherford who apparently used to play it in early gigs?

And can we take it as read that some will be itching to come in and say they've never noticed as they're too busy being bored and uninterested by the track?!

That intro part of IKWIL is a though one, all I can make out for sure is a few deep notes on the grand piano and a drone that seems to be mellotron and possibly ARP Pro Soloist. There's a bunch of other sounds though and I have to confess I am lost on what all these things are we can hear. Lots of things are possible: Mike's bass pedals, Mike's cello, Steve's guitar, Peter's flute... I started a thread on this in the old forum, what we know for sure is the band filled a whole 8-track tape only for the intro and the actual song was recorded separately on another tape, finally both tapes were mixed together. A demo of the intro part surfaced on a bootleg, it runs for about a minute. By any means, it appears this intro part was recorded in Tony's absence which Peter took as his chance to use his keyboards; and reportedly Tony was "not amused" about that. Also, producer John Burns says Peter used to be the one who would constantly come up with the craziest ideas for new strange sound effects, and imho that might give a hint Peter was the main driving force behind that strange intro part.

I can't make out the cello in Aisle of Plenty, all I can hear is (besides Cinema Show fading out) Steve's nylon guitar and Tony's synth. The cello can be heard in After The Ordeal (coming in somewhere in the middle of the first part, playing bass notes), similarly in the Lover's Leap part of Supper's Ready, and if you listen to the 2008 remasters, you can also hear it in the intro of Colony of Slippermen. On Archive #1 disc 4, it can be heard in one of the old tracks, I don't remember which one but it was Pacidy or Shepherd or some other song from that time.

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Yes correct about PG, strictly speaking just piano. I think he tried to play a bit of piano in Genesis but got slapped down by Banks. Isn't there a story that he put down a piano part which Banks later heard, causing him to exclaim "What the hell is this, I'm the keyboard player in this band"?

True but reportedly his piano part in Counting Out Time remained on the record, and on top he played all of the keyboards in the intro/outro part of I Know What I Like, something he could only do because Tony wasn't in the studio at the time.

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STEVE - lead vocals, backing vocals, harmonica, bass, various exotic stringed instruments

ANT - keyboards, various exotic stringed instruments

Steve played autoharp on Wind and Wuthering, though I can't hear it; then again, there is definitely some strange string instrument in the first and second verse of Inside and Out which sounds exactly like that strange thing we can hear in Icarus Ascending (the part when the whole band fades out and only that instrument, whatever it is, remains for a few bars before the band joins again for the reggae and jazz part).

Ant played dulcimer throughout FGTR and on Looking For Someone and on some of the early demo tracks, it is sometimes mistaken for a piano because of its similar sound. It can be heard on Geese too and some of his older archive tracks.

But yes, both Steve and Ant still employed lots of other exotic stringed instruments outside of Genesis. Steve even played bass.

Wow, nice idea for a thread, I wonder how many of us can speak for every band member. I'll speak for what I can:

Regarding Tony, the way he used his ARP Pro Soloist starting from Selling England onwards will always be one of the unique classic Genesis trademarks. No other keyboardist ever had that sound. Then again, around the same time his hammond and mellotron sound became unique in the same way.

For Mike, I love his 6-string bariton bass guitar thing.

For the others I'm not too familiar with what instruments they used; I can only say Steve's guitar sound in the time frame from Selling to Trick (including VOTA) has always appealed most to me. And for Peter, well his most important instrument has always been his voice. Hasn't it

Isn't there a third version with Robert Fripp? I'd prefer a mixture of the original version and the later piano version.

Oh and by the way, there's another cover version by Dune & The London Session Orchestra with singer Tina Lacebal (on the album Forever and ever, 1999), that's how I got to know the song at first.

Definitely generational, for me music videos will always be connected to the 90's in the first place. Back then, charts songs seemed to be an inseparable unity of music and video. As a teenager I even fell for buying singles whose video was great only to find the song on its own sucked. In today's times videos have entirely lost any importance.

This is a video that my teen self enjoyed so much it made me buy the single; once I heard the song without video I was like holy crap, what the hell was I thinking.

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This one is more of a short film than a video and it makes the actual song just background music to the video. Hard to believe the song pre-existed the video, it looks rather like someone made this short film and let someone make film music to it. You see, music videos can be pieces of art.

edit: Oh and for Genesis videos - maybe it's again the 90's kid in me but Genesis videos never got better than Jesus He Knows Me and I Can't Dance. Both were just brilliant.

I wasn't born yet but nonetheless, my dad played it a lot when I was little so the Firth of Fifth solo became the first recorded music I could ever remember in my life and the whole album carries a lot of earliest childhood memories for me. I was fascinated as early as being only 5 years old and throughout this fascination never faded, it kept growing. It is my all-time favourite album and it has literally (sic!) accompanied me for my whole life.

Didn't this young man just turn 27? I cannot believe how time passes.

Interesting how you all rate this song as outstanding. I gave 12 points, it's a good song but imho the "worst" on A Trick Of The Tail, meaning as good as it is, all the other songs on that album still surpass it.

No wonder nobody else could sing this, the verses are like spoken lyrics set to random notes, really a tough one if you're trying to show a new band you can sing their new songs.

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The "single version" frequently used as an FGTR bonus track (with a title of "The Silent Sun") is identical to the album version (titled simply "Silent Sun"), except that the former is in mono.

Not quite true, the string arrangement differs. The album version's arrangement is a tiny little less obnoxious.

It is interesting that "Try a little sadness" was even sung as a duet of Peter and Ant.

Looks pretty cool

For the record, there is an Ant section in this forum. Speaking for me, I love Field Day. I was a little baffled about a 5.1 remix of an album which features mostly solo instrument tracks, then again I don't use 5.1 and don't see the need of it if you have good stereo boxes.

I enjoy Tony's stuff too, I don't see any need though to put Tony over Ant or vice versa. Both have created lots of fantastic music.

If I should choose any Genesis solo album to put on top priority to be remastered then it's Smallcreep's Day.

Thank you for all the background information!

14 points from me. This song has always been one of my top favourites right from the start. How is it hard to get into? It is one of the easiest songs to get into compared to Musical Box or Giant Hogweed.

Aqualung - Jethro Tull

Legs - Art of Noise

Cherry Pie - Warrant