Posts by thewatcher

Good sample of the current zeitgeist vein. I loved Lorde's debut album, and a few songs from Charlie XCX's debut (I remember Nuclear Seasons particularly). Interesting to see them come together after a decade of flying relatively under the radar.

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Quite stunning!

Fucking beautiful! Thanks for sharing.

Phil looks like a spectral figure in a lot of it because of the spotlight making him alone out of focus.

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Personally, I think it would have helped to find ONE good, recognizable singer, the way Mike did with Paul Carrack for instance, a singer is always the key to success and Tony's voice wasn't really success material. I assume he would have opposed lyrics by someone else, but I think it would have helped too, I like Tony's lyrics, and they were great...For Genesis....in the 70s....With the new decade and his inability to adapt, they were unnecessary weight. Tony is deep, too much for the 80s. Ultimately, as brilliant as he is and he really, really is, I don't think it's a matter of talent, rather personality, he probably wasn't good collaborating, as shown in the band and he needed to be.

I think all of that is very fair. His voice *definitely* wasn't success material, although I think given the other people he worked with, when he sang it led to (for me) his most interesting release. He was never going to be on TOTP singing "and the wheels keep turning" though, that's for sure. I also agree he needed something he probably wouldn't or couldn't have allowed - a strong collaborator.

Re the above comments about TBs solo career, I agree completely also about the reasons he basically failed. I do find it interesting that it wasn't for lack of trying with collaborators but those efforts never seemed to find the secret sauce that makes for success (outside Genesis obviously). I personally like the one where he tried it alone (The Fugitive) more than any of the others. So should he have tried that more, or tried with yet more collaborators?

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Someone said, possibly on here, there was a plan that MR would sing lead on this given it's primarily by him, and TB would sing lead on Silver Rainbow as it's his, but this was obviously abandoned (although a mark of the intention is retained by Banks's prominent vocal line in the chorus of SR). Is there any verification of that?

I distinctly remember Phil saying that before. It's quite possible i was the one who remarked on it at some stage in the past few years!

I don't think it was a plan though, I believe he said it was his idea, but Mike and Tony were never up for it. And no, I have no clue where I read/heard this before so until someone can come up with the reference it's going to remain boardlore!

I agree this is underrated. Has a great vocal and drums from Phil, and a nice dark streak of tension running through it. The bridge is a very effective pause in the clatter. It's also a bit different from their standard fare, which I appreciate is impossible to define anyway. I really enjoy side 2 of shapes, for the most part, and this and the two tracks that follow it are a nice little run in the backwaters of their catalogue. 13.

Oct 5th, 45 years ago...

I *think* I listened to this album a couple of times back when I was deep in the weeds with Genesis, maybe 25 years ago. It obviously never made the slightest impression. I never knew Chester played on it. I'm planning a dive back into Genesis however, as it's a been a while since I did more than dabble and now I have a proper place to listen at home, and I have four of the five reissue boxes repatriated to me. Which don't include ACF obviously, but I'm going to give it a listen and see what I think. I gather it's well received here in general, though The Fugitive made a much bigger impression on me.

👆 I remember watching three days of the condor as a kid, about thirty years ago. Even though it seemed a bit old fashioned I remember enjoying it a ton. Would definitely revisit it.

I rewatched The Day After Tomorrow recently. I saw it in the cinema when it initially came out and remember the special effects being so incredible, and even though it was a bit dumb, an enjoyable big blockbuster. I don't think it's aged well. It was terrible tbh. Maybe it's a consequence of being parodied so much that it's hard to see it anew but the dialog was laughably bad and the emotional aspect of the story so contrived as to be detrimental. The special effects are still great.

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I always had my problems with this album. It sounds a bit out of context, it's simply not a safe place for Steve. At the time, it was interesting to see him explore new ground, but looking back, it's more like an adventure which didn't work. Nevertheless, the above mentioned "Tombstone Rolle"r is great, as is "Born In Chicago" ...

I might have to check this out now. I love a good misadventure 🤠!

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I remember - I think Tony, rather than Mike- being asked about Steve’s revisited tours and saying in a fairly polite way that it wasn’t what he would want to do and he was more interested in the present, could be that.

I have a memory of the same thing, but in my version, it was Mike who said that. I may well be wrong of course!

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Leicester 2-0 Bournemouth

West Ham 2-1 Ipswich

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Plymouth 2-1 Blackburn

Watford 0-2 Middlesbrough

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I never fully clicked with them and tend to be surrounded by people venerating them while I shrug. This is a pretty good song though, a tad overlong but with some nice keyboard textures. It brings to mind Bowie's last two albums.

A quarter of a century ago, I was obsessed with them for a couple of years and would have been one of the ones venerating them. I drifted away from them, particularly as I thought their last album was terribly disappointing, and I saw the parts of it I disliked - a little staid, mid-tempo, bloated, somewhat unambitious - in some of their other work. I find the bands that stick with me have more of an edge.

However. I still love their middle period, the brief time between the old post-punk Cure and the latter poppier Cure, when they really went weird (The Top, The Glove). And I much prefer Pornography, which is really bleak and disconcerting, to the more widely revered Disintegration. I'd still consider Pornography one of my favorite albums by anyone. Beyond that there were one or two great tracks on other albums but a lot of stuff I cooled massively on. The B side collection Join The Dots was great.

That's my 1 minute Cure story. I'm curious how my older self will reassess them.

I think this is great. Beautiful and aching. His voice is truly ageless. I found it particularly moving when he's singing "where did it go?", it made my heart feel pretty heavy. I haven't listened to The Cure in earnest in many years but may well rediscover them now.

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along with the guy comically fumbling to get his key in the car door.

That part really got me going too 😂. So good.

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Clearly we were still in that phase where rap sections were unsubtly beaten into songs with a giant mallet.

This also cracked me up. I always wonder with things like this whether anyone involved had some inkling that what they were doing was so unintentionally funny.

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Chelsea 2-1 Brighton

Everton 2-1 Crystal Palace

Nottm Forest 0-1 Fulham

Wolves 1-3 Liverpool

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Millwall 2-1 Preston

Watford 2-0 Sunderland

👆 woah how have I never heard of this?? It's hysterical. In parts I was gasping for breath laughing. There are actually some good bits and Phil comes out of it pretty well all things considered but overall it's like a Simpson's parody of rich rock stars

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There was mention in another thread of Christmassy things arriving in shops etc as early as September. At the end of August I was in Edinburgh, idly strolling around an affluent area of Southside. In the big bay window of one handsome property I could see a living room with a big lit-up christmas tree, silver stars, tinsel and other decorations.

Any advance on August, anyone?

No... But I took this picture on Aug 24th in Costco!

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I'd be perfectly fine with this...as long as that chapter actually DOES see the light of day!

After all, PG is not getting any younger. In fact, the idea that we at least know he will not be doing anything on stage at least for the next year or two makes me wonder: when factoring in his age, perhaps we did INDEED see the last of PG live with this i/o tour? It was great and all-but personally I'd have hoped for him to do one more go around; not with a theme, not focusing on one album but just as a proper goodbye to fans, like what both Phil and Genesis did, with a comprehensive career-spanning setlist.

He doesn't strike me as the victory-lap type. If he tours again and there's new material, I'd personally prefer he focus on that. Most of all I hope he tours again in any form, because I was dumb and didn't go to an I/O show.

I *love* the autumn/winter atmosphere of Trespass so much it's in my top tier of Genesis albums. White Mountain is a great example of it. There's something raw and naive about Genesis at that time, not just the songwriting but the relative prominence of guitar and drums, and Peter's sometimes shaky, passionate voice. It makes any clunkiness that much more forgivable than later times. 15.

Yes everyone knows John Lennon was the first, second and third applicant for the job, so voraciously did he want the honor of stepping on stage to work with such luminaries as none other than his most revered contemporaries, exalted above all others. He of course withdrew before he even sang a note in their presence, so overcome was he with awe and fright but oh what might have been.

I wonder if they considered meat loaf's application seriously.