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Killing foe for peace... Bang bang bang! - Supper's Ready
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Head music - suede
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From the west of Ireland but living in Massachusetts.
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Yes then as I said, immediately BOOM! something big and loud crashes in. Or - "... hasn't it" - DINGLE DANG DINGLE DANG DINGLE DANG (ie Dance On A Volcano) or BAAAMMM DAH DAH-DAAAHH (ie Behind The Lines)
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Haha, you misspelled dangle!
I'd personally be happier to hear SR all the way through, but if you were going to mix songs that would be a good way to do it. I like the behind the lines idea. Or dodo!
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Blue (da ba Dee) - Eiffel 65
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I would do anything for love - meat loaf
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Jist seeing the track titles laid out evokes the sound of the album. I think it's their richest overall, with such a warm, dusty ambience. Interesting to see entangled top of the poll. I like it, dance on a volcano and ripples. My favorite is not on the album though - it's yourself. Would love to hear what the suite would have been like. And did mad man moon fit into it? Great period for the band.
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As for Mike... I've always gotten a sort of Pete Townsend vibe from his vocals. The trick is I like his singing in smaller doses but in one song you hear pretty much everything Mike's voice is capable of. Having him sing Just A Job To Do would have been interesting, but at the same time Phil absolutely killed it on that one, and it's unfair to even try to compare what the two are capable of...
i totally agree. I think not having mike and Tony step forward for those two songs was a great decision. Phil is too good a vocalist. And he was pretty much on top of his game in the early 80s performance wise. The other two are very limited vocally.
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Someone else here said he sings the "you won't know" line but it sounds like PC to me.
What do you mean by 'fugitive song'?
Ya, that line sounds exactly like TB from his album The Fugitive.
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Hmm, I could almost imagine Tony pulling off "Silver Rainbow." Mike and "Just A Job To Do," on the other hand...
agree. I think Tony is singing in the chorus and his voice is pretty prominent in the mix. It sounds a lot like a fugitive song.
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Is that really true? It always sounded like fan legend/speculation to me.
This is the first time I hear of this, what is the story behind that?
No, it's true. They bounced around the idea of Tony singing silver rainbow and Mike singing just a job to do. I read Tony's comments on the matter and that they decided in the end that Phil was the best singer so it didn't make sense. However, can I remember where I read that? No. Can I link to material supporting the claim? Also... No. I came across it many years ago in a book, or magazine. Or it might even have been a recorded interview as I can remember the comments in Tony's voice.
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It's one of my favorites of theirs (i.e., Genesis' eponymous 1983 release); as far as M&tM is concerned, their first album is my favorite of theirs.
yup, I'm a big fan of the self titled album. I find it very creative. Side one is a masterpiece and I'm very partial to the off-kilter side two, I love the two strange songs that they toyed with the idea of Tony and Mike singing.
I believe the first M&tM album was my favorite of theirs also. My memory is that it's more 'albumy' and less 'collectiony' than their other releases. But I haven't listened to them in a while. This is all getting me thinking that I really need to give smallcreep's day another listen too, I remember loving that and haven't heard it in years.
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I agree about the production, I always thought this album sounded nice and 'full', neither muffled like some of it's predecessors or tinny like some of it's successors. I like the heavily distorted man of our times, that half sunk vocal feels like an integral part of the song.
For my choices heathaze is an instant number one. It's a personal thing. From way back when I first heard Duke I've been fixated on the ambience of that song, the faintly exotic melody and lyrics tinged with the feeling that something is just out of reach.
Otherwise duchess and Duke's travels. The latter climaxes magnificently with the sudden change in tempo ("and you fear what you.... Don't.... Understand") making it feel like you're falling off a cliff. I like the bit of mythology behind the duke suite and how it was broken up to avoid comparisons with Supper's Ready.
Cringe: the lyric 'extinct until the end of time'
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There is another option, used by my second favourite band, Cock Robin. (No. 1? Not Genesis, I'm afraid.) Do the hits, but along with other songs, re-arrange them completely. They do some songs totally like the studio cuts, some a bit different, but, on the 1990 tour, as featured in their live at Paris Grand Rex video, Just Around the Corner, a full Bass/drums/keyboards/electric guitar track, was done by the band leader, Peter Kingsbery, as a vocal and acoustic guitar song. Great version, great audience reaction.
cool. I'm not familiar with the band but will check them out. I'm not the biggest fan of live stripped down acoustic versions of songs that are 'big' in the studio but anything different can be interesting for sure. I remember the 1997/98 media presentations when they did acoustic versions of no son of mine and a couple others (I think) and they were nice.
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Additionally those interviews they all gave in 2007/8 for the remix/remasters clearly gave them the opportunity to listen to albums they hadn't listened to in a long time....reminded them of songs they'd long forgotten. I do suspect there will be one or two genuine surprises assuming this tour can take place.
I hope you're right! The remixes were a while ago but with the addition of Nic maybe there will be a few fresh ideas bouncing around. As regards the tour taking place, I cannot see it happening on the current schedule. I think they will have to look at next year sometime, and even then it might not be 20 or 30 thousand people jammed into an arena. By itself these things - more time to prepare, smaller venues - might make a flexible setlist with a surprise or two more likely.
A small thing I thought would be neat is a short section in each show called 'unfinished business' which could just be one song each night that they've never played before. Nothing like do the neurotic but they have a small pool of songs like many too many, heathaze, way of the world etc that I don't think would be hard to play and would be a real treat for the long time/hard core fans that will inevitably be present.
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I'm way late to this thread but want to say I love trespass. I find it very consistent with a somewhat odd, evocative atmosphere throughout. I think looking for someone is particularly strong. I agree with the person who put it in their top 5, I think it would be in mine too. I also discovered it at a time when there was no internet and I was buying bootlegs (and some albums) from vinyl tap. I got trespass on CD but it would have had to be a special order from the local music store as there's no way they would have had it in stock. So I'm sure there was a sense of obtaining something hard to find when I finally got to hear it. And it is an oddity, with a unique lineup that didn't exist before or after. I think the guys playing on it did a very good job. There's a lot of guitar on it which also makes it stand out in the genesis oeuvre. It's interesting to compare it to the more polished live versions on subsequent tours.
Is it flawed? Yes. Do I enjoy it? Definitely.
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That would be my guess too - "A Call To Arms" - songwriting credits to Banks, Collins, Rutherford, Christopher Neil, and B.A. Robertson.
Wikipedia seems to agree:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/…he_Mechanics_(1985_album)
(Check out the paragraph just above "Reception".)
Interesting, I never knew that. Gives me the impetus to go back and check out this album. Remember enjoying it quite a lot a few years ago.
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Yeah. I've only been a professional singer since the mid-nineties so what do I know, eh? Carry on, as you were, old son, you clearly know more about this issue than do. "Sigh", indeed.
I'm mortified for you with that reply.
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I think you're missing the point somewhat. Genesis have simply never been the kind of band who change their setlists like some other bands mentioned here do.
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And I'm afraid you're quite wrong in that attitude that not every song should be sacrosanct. There are certain songs that an audience expects to hear, that the artist feels duty bound to perform even though they might hate performing the tune. Imagine if Phil went on the road and didn't sing In The Air Tonight, for instance, or Sussudio. He'd be lynched!
Sigh. That is my point. Exactly. Genesis have never been that kind of band. I think they should have been, and they could be on this (probably) last tour. Their catalog is too deep to choose only two and a half hours to play every night.
As for being wrong about songs being untouchable? You know what, Phil could go out and not play in the air tonight. And Genesis really (really) could go out and not play I can't dance/invisible touch. And they wouldn't be lynched. They'd be fine, and so would the audience. they might even get some kudos for having the balls to omit a big hit. The crowd would get to hear something else from the band. This is not some wooly personal desire to hear an impossible set full of can utility or feeding the fire or whatever. I'd just like to see them branch out when the opportunity is there. Even a couple substitutions of like for like would be better than nothing; for example, instead of playing firth of fifth every night, have three or four similar length songs that could rotate into that slot (eg firth/hogweed/get em out by Friday/one for the vine). Instead of invisible touch every night switch it out for misunderstanding/that's all/Jesus he knows me.
That's all. Nothing earth shattering. I think it would make it more exciting, and do their catalog more justice.
