There has been the rare occasion for me where a music video had its intended effect — it captured my interest enough to make me want to explore a band that I hadn't previously.
"Salvation" by The Cranberries had that effect on me.
But I've never had the opposite happen where I was turned off from a song by a band I already liked, because I thought the video sucked.
I've got these on order, just awaiting their arrival
Frank Zappa - One Size Fits All
Cat Stevens - Mona Bone Jakon
(I had this and several other albums of his back in the day when I collected LPs and cassettes - I'm finally getting around to getting it on CD. This was my second-favourite album of his behind Tea For The Tillerman which I already have on disc.)
Top marks from me as well. It's probably my favourite track from any of the post 70s albums.
What of his do you play? Not an artist whose work I've ever been tempted to own.
Six Wives and Criminal Record are my favourites.
I tend to stay away from his albums with vocals though I do like Journey to the Centre of the Earth.
He’s done a few albums where he’s alone on piano. I like Heritage Suite.
It just so happens I brought with me to work today, Rick Wakeman At Lincoln Cathedral, which features him performing alone on pipe organ. Not exactly conducive to everyone’s tastes, but I like it.
Display MoreSince then, artists who I have played repeatedly or listened to multiple albums of ...
Frank Zappa
Smokey Robinson & The Miracles
Blue Rodeo
Big Big Train
The Rolling Stones
Still been playing a lot of Zappa lately, plus...
Yes
Rick Wakeman
Peter Gabriel
David Bowie
Let us know how you get on with it. That whole period is inconsistent, but contains some good stuff.
I’m warming up to it. It reminds me of Low in that Outside is similarly very experimental. While it lacks the instant appeal that Aladdin Sane and Heroes (my two favourite albums) had on me, what I hear on Outside is music with potential. And I think it just requires a bit more time and nurturing for me to fully absorb.
Frank Zappa - Apostrophe
David Bowie - Outside
(There is a vast period of Bowie's career - post Let's Dance, pre-Heathen - which I had nothing from. I plucked this one from the crowd, hoping it might have some of the magic displayed on the previous Bowie/Eno collaborations.)
Someone will be along shortly to criticize the chorus!
I don't know if you had someone specific in mind or if the chorus just happens to be a frequent target of criticism - but I can say your expectations have been fulfilled: I like the song but the chorus takes some of the wind out of its sails for me.
I found this version surprisingly quite moving - and being already a fan of Big Big Train, it lit a fire under me to check out the combined works from the two other key contributors who are both from the band Magenta.
A bit surprised over the comments over the studio version. The live version is certainly livelier which is to be expected with any song performed live but because of of kind of song it is, the subject matter, the atmosphere, the lyrics and so on, I think the studio version is sheer brilliance.
It's a pensive, reflective outlook on the status of a possibly deteriorating personal relationship, the listener is sort of dragged in to wallow in that mood and possibly think about his own relationship. I love the live version of course but personally I didn't need it to realize this is one of Peter's many finest hours.
Agreed. Based on this conversation and others I've seen in the past, I appear to be well in the minority in that I actually prefer the studio version of this track, though I do enjoy the live performance of it as well.
I give the studio version the edge because I prefer the sound of the bassy instrumental break in the middle and then where the momentum picks up at the end (probably my two favourite moments in the song).
Steve Hackett - Genesis Revisited
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It's sad he wasn't as brave on GR2. GR had much more creativity.
I will concede the debut was more adventurous but I found I just didn't care for his take on some of those songs, particularly those that strayed well away from the original. It's been a while since I played it, but I recall feeling track by track it was hit or miss.
GR2, on the other hand, I thoroughly enjoyed.
I hadn't been following this thread so this is news to me.
I'm sorry to hear they are not continuing with the reissues.
I was looking forward to the re-release of Strictly Inc. which I suspect may be the most difficult of his solo albums to find.
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I've been wondering whether it its correct to talk about a Steve-Era in Genesis.
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My post was in response to this comment and a previous discussion which seemed to parallel your question: Is there such thing as a Steve era? Is it a valid reference point?
As stated above, my answer is undeniably yes.
If the point of this thread, is to discuss Steve's influence on the overall sound, I would concede he was a minor contributor - but one whose contributions were notably absent in subsequent albums. The absence of any classical and 12-string guitar, and rare use of acoustic after Steve's departure is a noticeable change in sound that strikes me as more than just a coincidence.
If I was to say my favourite Genesis albums are the six studio releases from the Hackett era, every Genesis fan knows precisely what albums I'm talking about without having to spell it out.
I recall the initial post that prompted this discussion, and as a point of chronology, it is silly to avoid referring to the "Hackett era" solely on the basis that he wasn't a predominant songwriter.
How is that relevant? It isn't.
He’s definitely one my favourites – not necessarily for his technical prowess, but his creativity, unique ear for sounds, and his ability to come up with something unorthodox that complements the music.
I cite “Fashion” by David Bowie as a prime example of what Fripp brings to the table.
Listen to the guitar on that song.
Fripp’s contributions take what would otherwise be a danceable pop tune to an otherworldly realm.
No Islands on the 70s list? I used to love that song, I have to go back and listen to it, it's been too long.
Islands always struck me as an underappreciated album. While there at least five KC albums I would rank ahead of it, I always think of Islands as being one of my favourites.
I was actually quite thrilled when I saw them a couple of years ago that not only had they brought back Mel Collins, but they performed two songs from Islands - "Sailor's Tale" and "The Letters."
The only episode I've ever read about and actually heard was after Phil left and Chester got word Tony and Mike were working on an album and he volunteered his services but was turned down, specifically by Mike.
I recall on one of the forums someone claiming they had been given confidential information in regards to a falling out between PC and CT, but was unwilling to expand on that point. Beyond that I haven't seen anything to substantiate that.
The thing with Chester and CAS, he didn't want to come in as a session drummer, he wanted input as a band member but was turned down.
I too like that idea but it would require a right-angled turn by them. Apart from some visual aspects, they were a relatively unadventurous live act with rigid and generally unsurprising setlists. I can't see them suddenly embracing a new or significantly different way of performing or doing some kind of radical setlist.
If they announced a tour where each night there was going to be a lengthy acoustic set featuring just the three of them alone on stage, Phil on light percussion and vocals, that would be an automatic in for me.
In that instance, the setlist wouldn't matter to me because I would be so intrigued to hear their treatment of those songs.
I didn’t go see Genesis in 2007 and I don’t have a hankering to go see them now.
But I also like having the option of changing my mind.
Maybe if they went on tour, there’d be something in the setlist or the manner in which they’re performing the songs that would surprise me or pique my interest.
I would never wish an artist stop performing, recording or touring - even if I feel their abilities have diminished.
If they wanted to tour, I might not go see them, but I would certainly cheer them on from afar.
And it wouldn't rob me of any joy I have listening to their music or my memories of seeing them years ago.
I agree. Daryl is an excellent musician, but he's one of thousands of gifted guitarists with a generic understated soft rock solo sound. He's technically perfect but completely innocuous; could be anyone. Steve was unmistakably Steve, and his style instantly identifiable in the same way that Steve Howe, Eddie Van Halen and Frank Zappa were. Daryl is a session musician, who could tour with a boy band if need be, and who's sound just blends in. These musicians have their place and Daryl's contribution to live Genesis has been good enough, but I've never regarded him as a member of band. I have a little more respect for Chester in this regard, though. Like Bruford, Chester is quite a recognisable, stand out player who's probably bought more to the Genesis live sound over the years than Daryl did.
Actually, when I hear Daryl Stuermer playing on Jean Luc Ponty's albums, I often wonder how he didn't get bored touring with Genesis. He definitely had the chops for jazz fusion.
Having said that, I found nothing remarkable about his playing in Genesis - or at least nothing that would make me forget about Steve Hackett.
In fact, those brief moments when Daryl was unleashed, the contrast in his approach did nothing more than reinforce my preference for Steve's way of playing those songs.
