Posts by Witchwood

    But ... PG IV: Peter thought it's a weak album? At least that's what Horst says. Can't imagine Peter really thinks that (or thought that back in the days).

    Artists' views of their own work are often coloured by circumstances that have nothing to do with the music.

    I would wonder if PG's dismissiveness stems from unpleasant feelings or memories associated with the recording of that album, with David Lord being the producer.

    Yikes. I admit I haven't looked at it in quite a while, but that number seems extremely low. Like maybe a year ago I went on and there were dozens of shows...

    Sorry, I think I left you with the wrong impression.


    There was well over 500 shows (Genesis and related) being seeded when I checked.

    But when I did a search just on that one tour ( Genesis 2007), I found only three shows being seeded at that particular moment.


    That is an unusually low number but I suspect that is due to the fact the soundboards from all of those shows were made available through the Encore Series so I don't imagine there's a huge demand for alternative recordings.

    I got the Helsinki 07 artwork downloaded from the torrent site, but I can't see a link for actual music files.


    Does this mean it's not linked anymore?

    I just had a peak on the Movement site.


    It looks like there's only three recordings being seeded right now:

    • Helsinki 10-06-07 (portions of a rehearsal, plus interview);

    • an FM recording (partial show) from Stuttgart 28-06-2007; and

    • a complete audience recording from Paris, 30-06-07.


    In case you're wondering, the soundboards from each show was sold through the Encore Series so you won't find any of those on the Movement site.

    If you're looking for live recordings from the most recent tour which was 2007, there are several options available.


    The official release Live Over Europe which you can get through Amazon or your favourite CD or record supplier.


    There's still at least half-a-dozen Encore Series recordings available from that last tour.


    https://www.themusic.com/encore/catalog2.php?&q[]=Genesis


    And then for bootlegs, if you're into torrents, the closest to a complete source would be The Movement site.


    https://www.genesis-movement.org/livedatabase.html

    I always wonder how many of the fans who bought albums like IT and WCD and were new to Genesis, are still die hard fans or was just a passing music phase in the 80's?


    The setlists seem to be made up of numerous songs from this period, but would the majority of people buying tickets for 2021 prefer a more varied setlist?

    Personally I could easily give WCD, HOMH and LOC a miss for something else

    Admittedly, I tend to characterize pop fans as having as much of a fleeting interest in music as they have in fashion – discarding what was popular yesterday, and moving on to what’s leading edge today.


    But I also know it’s presumptuous to think these same fans would all turn down the opportunity to spend an evening out with friends to see a band that was generating hits 30, 35 years ago.


    Concert goers are always a mix of die-hards, holding onto faint hopes of an obscure track being performed, and people who just want a fun night out, enjoying an evening of live music and nostalgia (and maybe a little catching up with friends during the quiet bits of less familiar songs).


    At a Genesis concert in 2022, I would expect the latter would make up the vast majority.

    Yes it’s very much in the vein of Tony’s comment at the reunion of ex-Genesis members: “Well we managed to sack the whole lot of you!”. Most British people get the humour but it sometimes perplexes others ^^

    People of many nationalities appreciate dry humour.

    It just struck me as odd appearing in a printed press release sent out to media outlets where intonation is more likely to be lost and editors are more likely to read the words and take them literally.

    I don't think I had ever seen the official press release that was issued by the band — until moments ago.

    If I had, I'm sure I would have found the headline very odd and disingenous, referring to Phil taking over vocal duties as a "20-year experiment" and the band now seeking a full-time replacement for Gabriel.


    I heard the announcement on the radio at the time.

    My heart sunk but I wasn't shocked and, in fact, felt it was something that was bound to happen eventually in light of how monstrously popular Phil had become as a solo artist.

    Always struck me as an attempt to add bells and whistles to a song that was beautiful in its original simplicity.

    Compared to the studio version or any live performance of this song I've heard from any era, this is easily my least favourite.

    I don't believe I have ever heard this song until now.

    During the first part I was thinking Mike seemed to be making a conscious effort to stay within his range, and then we got to the chorus...


    The main problem I have with most of AVS and with the chorus of this track, is that Mike tries singing a little too raucously for his vocal capabilities.

    I wonder if I am the only one who doesn't like medleys of old Genesis songs? Those songs told stories, and performing just one verse or half a song means the story isn't told. I do like how they did just instrumental sections of FoF and Cinema Show in 07, rather than shoehorn partial songs into a medley. I still find the 1992 "Old medley" jarring when they stop part way through Dance On A Volcano.


    ...

    I don’t mind the medleys, even if there are brief excerpts of songs, as long as it flows and seems well-crafted.


    I love the I Know What I Like medleys from the mid-70s to 1980, and I think all the In The Cage medleys were great. I thought The Lamb-Watcher transition worked really well though that probably doesn’t qualify as a medley.


    And then in complete contrast, we have the 92 medley which I thought was a horrible mess. It lacked flow; inserting one or two vocal lines from various songs — the whole piece just seemed like it was thrown together with little thought, care or creativity.

    These days Mike seems to disregard anything that predates the Mama album, be it Genesis or solo. ?( I like Smallcreep's Day a lot and think it's one of the best solo releases by any Genesis member...

    Mike is another prime example of artists being the worst judges of their own material.


    I share the love and enthusiasm of those who herald Smallcreep's Day as one of the best solo albums to come out of the Genesis camp - it would probably be in my Top 5 or 6.

    I was always quite puzzled by Mike's dismissal of it as "not very good" when I think it outshines everything he has done on his own since.

    This is possibly psychological, but I've noticed huge differences in the "feels like" temperature depending on where I am. In the US or Canada, -10 might feel like -10 (or -15 or whatever if it's windy). You can bundle up and tolerate it just fine. In Ireland, -1 might feel like -30 and be impossible to dress against. I suspect it's the damp but I have no evidence to back this up. The old "gets into your bones" thing.

    ...

    I think moisture in the air does have an impact on your comfort level.

    I find here in Northern Ontario, as long as you're dressed properly, nobody complains about it being -25 C.

    People here refer to it as a "dry cold."


    But if I travel 7 hours south of here to Toronto where I grew up, I find even at -7 C, walking in the downtown with the wind blowing can be unpleasant. It's almost like there is a dampness in the air that seeps into your clothes and crystalizes against your skin. That's how it feels to me.

    It's one of those lovely winter days we get in my neck of the woods where it's clear blue skies and sunshine but extremely cold.

    It's -20 C this morning and the forecast is calling for temperatures to drop to -34 C overnight.

    I had a very similar experience.

    They were my first “favourite band,” discovered them when I was about 12, shortly after the release of ATWAS, and to this day I list them among my favourites.


    But like you, I went through a 12-year stretch where I stopped buying their albums, declaring their last worthwhile album to be Grace Under Pressure – dismissing all subsequent releases as synth heavy, light on guitar and pop leaning.


    Then in the late 90s, on a Genesis forum, of all places, I was chatting with a fellow Rush fan and after expressing my passion for the band's early output, he encouraged me to give Counterparts a try.

    And so I did, not expecting to be impressed, and was completely taken aback.

    It made me realize at that point, I hadn’t really given the albums after GUP a proper chance. Instead, judging them largely based on individual tracks that seemed to support my previous dismissal.


    So I bought the missing albums and went through a period of discovery and grew to appreciate this previously maligned group of albums.


    I also share the view Rush went out on a high.

    Their last three studio albums I thought were great.

    Among the hardcore Tull fans, I think there is a fair share who are discontent about one thing or another.

    On social media I’ve seen a lot of griping amongst Tull fans, complaining about Anderson’s persistence in touring despite the deteriorating condition of his voice, and then many further angered by his split with guitarist Martin Barre.