Posts by WutheringNights76

Quote from thefarmer

Ditto . I really like ATTWT it feels atmospheric .However there are a few songs that I would be great to hear Steve on . SIAJ and BR are two songs I love but I always imagine how they would sound if extended with a Steve solo swirling around.

It's interesting you say that, the atmospheric end of Ballad of Big is one of my favourite sections in Genesis music, a lot to do with what Tony's picking out on the Yamaha piano. I think Steve could've added some real magic to this sections as well.

As for later stuff, I guess the Tony solo songs I could hear being done earlier with Peter, in the sense of Seven Stones and Time Table. Things like Cul-de-sac perhaps. Probably the hardest thing to reconcile is the amount of polyphonic synths used in the late 70s and early 80s which is really alien to the Peter Gabriel era. If they were done with Hammond, piano and mellotron I'm sure it would be easier to imagine Peter singing them.

Was PC even audible? Most of what I'm hearing seems to be coming from the other drummer. If I was Robert Plant I'd be looking more at the singing and guitar playing as to why it was a mistake

I would prefer them to have left The Cinema Show, which they've done countlessly, out and done Apocalypse in 9/8 for the keyboard solo. But one of my favourite aspects of As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs is the vocal melody and I'm not sure how well it works without vocals. I think if they segued Apocalypse into Afterglow that would be the best.

Quote from Backdrifter

Good grief, had no idea about this. What else was on this 7"?

https://www.discogs.com/releas…nesis-Firth-Of-Fifth-Live

Seems like just Firth of Fifth.

I always remembered it as being a B-side to a single from 1982/1983 but it seems I am wrong

Quote from MoonlitKnight

The Encore Tour is definitely my favorite. The band was tight and taking chances. The jazz-rock tinged outro to The Lamb sounded at least somewhat different every night. It took a lot of trust to play that song that way every night, not knowing exactly how long Phil was going to riff on the vocals and when the transition to Watcher of the Skies from the Lamb would start.

Yeah Phil riffing on "the lights are always bright" as Tony kicks with the Watcher of the Skies chords is honestly a top 10 Genesis moment for me. I always get goosebumps listening to that, especially on the nights were Phil went really hard. Seems like at the moment the 82 tour is the most popular and honestly I can see why.

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Can't see Peter going for it in a gazillion years. And as I am the anti-Nostradamus, watch it happen within 12 months 😃

Seriously though, and I am alone in this, I'd like to see them with Ray Wilson again. A big reason being Tony and Mike seem very healthy and capable of playing at the highest level, there's no really good reason they couldn't make new music again, and Ray has plenty of energy to facilitate them. And no, this won't happen in a gazillion (possibly even a bajillion) years either.

The time to do that was 1998. Oh well...

Quote from Duke of Earl of Mar

I didn't know that, I have to listen to it...

Yeah, I only found out about Supper's Ready recently.

Here's them doing The Lamb / The Musical Box in Vienna

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TmUrBG3rKVg

And then obviously they famously did Dancing With The Moonlit Knight / The Musical Box in Chicago

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XESIEXEp3qM&t=1576s

And as I found out recently they did Apocalypse in 9/8 as a second encore in Dortmund

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vOCrfA5rAV0

That's on top of the usual songs from the set like In The Cage, Fountain Of Salmacis, The Cinema Show and I Know What I Like.

Ok, I've realised this poll requires a bit of ... let's say "historical imagination"

So using like photos, video recordings, facts that are known about the tour, audio bootlegs of soundboards and audience recordings and officially released tracks to inform your decision, you can pick any tour.

I went with the And Then There Were Three Tour because of the incredible stage presentation with the lights and mirrors (in my opinion their best looking stage), one of the best and most surprising setlists with deep cuts from ATTWT, all of which are the definitive versions and eclipse the studio versions majorly, the fact that they brought back Fountain of Salmacis (probably my all time favourite Genesis song), Ripples, the full Cinema Show. Now that I think about it did we ever get such a variety of 'old' songs on any other tour, I mean they did Dancing With The Moonlit Knight, The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway, The Musical Box Closing and Apocalypse in 9/8 at least one show each.

Also it has Tony's best keyboard rig by a mile, we got the start of polysynths with the Polymoog, the first use of the Yamaha CP70 electric grand piano as well as old favourites like the Hammond and Mellotron. Oh, and the crowning glory, they casually toured with an ARP 2600 as Tony's main lead synth. Tony's rig alone puts a lot of the versions of songs into the A+ tier.

Also I think I like Phil's voice on this tour the best. We still had his beautiful soft tones on songs like Ripples, but he still had more power on the songs that required it. Like on the 76 and 77 his voice seemed to get blown out sometimes when he was trying for those heavier sections. And, not yet as raspy as the later 80's which I'm not huge on. Chester and Mike were on fire too. I have to admit also that I really like Daryl and Mike's guitar playing on a lot of the songs. The way they played on this really filled out the sound and didn't leave it all for Tony to do.

I had a look and don't think this poll has been done yet, and I think it would be cool to see what people think is the best concert tour. Don't see this discussed as often as the best album.

Of course

Certainly didn't mean to suggest that was the case, I think I just mentioned them because I watched their recent ATTWT tour clips.

Hopefully, with some of the stuff that's come out recently thanks to the Genesis Museum and stuff maybe they will unearth that full uncut show one day

Hm also interesting in that article Mike (or maybe Tony, couldn't really tell from the writing who was talking) that the concert film from the 76 tour was "bad, terrible." Sounds like we could've got more films from some of the later tours if they didn't feel that way.

Thanks mate

Would've preferred Lover's Leap to the acoustic Lamb. Really does not suit the song whatsoever. It's meant to be a ball-busting, bassy, powerful song and yet we've got this smooth lounge version of it.

Fair enough. Personally I wouldn't like hearing that obnoxious chirpy tune while I'm trying to get into the zone for a Genesis gig

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Wow, they're even using the exact same pre-show intro music as they did from 2007. The score to the film American Beauty.

That's cringe imo. Sounds like a ringtone

Now that we know the setlist, here's my fanmade one that takes into account what the band actually settled on.

1. Dance On A Volcano [Song section]
2. Behind The Lines
3. Duchess
4. Land Of Confusion
5. The Carpet Crawlers
6. Abacab
7. Medley:
   • Fading Lights
   • Apocalypse in 9/8
   • Afterglow
8. No Son Of Mine
9. Home By The Sea
10. Second Home By The Sea
11. Acoustic Set:
    • Supper's Ready [Lover's Leap]
    • That's All
    • Follow You Follow Me
12. Mama
13. Firth Of Fifth [Instrumental]
14. I Know What I Like (In Your Wardrobe)
15. Domino
16. Invisible Touch
17. Turn It On Again
18. Encore:

• The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway
• The Musical Box [Closing Section]

It was a tossup for me between opening with Dance On A Volcano or Squonk. Went for the former but both are 10/10 openings. The lack of Los Endos (for good reason) certainly should've opened up a spot for these two in the setlist.

The Cinema Show is cool, but it would've been cool to change it up a bit like they did in 07 with Duke's Travels or 86 with In That Quiet Earth. Again, I would be just has happy to have In That Quiet Earth/Afterglow, but on balance, Apocalypse in 9/8 is probably the one Banks keyboard solo that has been absent the most from those keyboard solo medleys (We've had lots of In The Cage/Cinema Show/Quiet Earth/Slipperman, even Riding the Scree). To me Apocalypse would be the coolest inclusion. And as cool as it would be to end with As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs, that's probably just impossible considering Phil's condition. So transitioning from the keyboard solo to Afterglow would solve that issue. Plus, I'm sure we all agree more Nursery Cryme & Foxtrot is cool, as the setlist is packed with Selling England and Lamb stuff. Seriously they've got 4 songs (admittedly in bits) from Selling England, they're barely even doing more from Invisible Touch (5).

And yes, I have managed to put Supper's Ready into both medleys, but for the reasons above I consider those to be the best two options. Phil could easily sing Lover's Leap, and it would be a good nod to the fans. We didn't really need an acoustic Lamb. That song needs to go hard.

For the encore, as much as I would prefer The Lamb/Watcher of the Skies medley, I thought it wouldn't be great for the show to end with a long instrument while Phil just sits there, so I had to go with Musical Box which has lyrics right up to the end.

Quote from Backdrifter

I get that things like "sheets of double glazing" in Domino are hard to sing with conviction and emotion. And "bread bin" is such a mundane object that it too might be tricky....but "undinal"? It fits the melody and timing perfectly and is the perfect word in context of "the siren's call". I'm sure I've heard that Phil won't sing it because be things "undinal" is a word that Tony made up.

Uhhh, this is the same guy who's hit song was Sussudio, yes?

Quote from Backdrifter

I think what you've said about SR is debatable, possibly a discussion for the Foxtrot thread, but re the appropriateness of that line you've made me think of what would be a fantasy opening. They start gently with Lover's Leap, get to that line, then "... hasn't it" - then BANG! - straight into something loud and uptempo.

True, but isn’t the line “It’s good to feel you again”? Might be a little bit weird hahaha

Quote from StillCan'tDance

I think you're missing the point somewhat. Genesis have simply never been the kind of band who change their setlists like some other bands mentioned here do. They tend to adhere to the belief that everyone who comes to see them should have the same experience; of course there will be fans who go to more than one show but this isn't a show which is going to cater to the whims of a minority.

The comment "not everyone wants to hear it" highlights the problem that any artist faces when they go out on tour, which is that they're never going to please everyone.

And I'm afraid you're quite wrong in that attitude that not every song should be sacrosanct. There are certain songs that an audience expects to hear, that the artist feels duty bound to perform even though they might hate performing the tune. Imagine if Phil went on the road and didn't sing In The Air Tonight, for instance, or Sussudio. He'd be lynched!

True, but they will need to sacrifice some of those sacrosanct songs in order to make room for a few more interesting or surprising choices to make this tour more satisfying and unique. And with regard to the sanctity of Genesis songs, I guess they are kind of in a weird position given that there were 6 albums released during the 6-7 years Peter was in the band, but only 8 Phil albums despite his time as the lead singer far exceeding Peter's, which was 15 or so years. So obviously the band probably see their later material as being their main or most current sound, it doesn't necessarily mirror their recorded output. I kind of phrased that not very well but maybe it makes sense.