I don't give a toss whether the guys are/were boring - they have made so much awesome and exciting music.
I never said they were boring.
Posts by StillCan'tDance
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They are when their taste is exquisite and they know the lads can do better.
Such a snob
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Yet in 82 the new material didn't go down very well. They hadn't been in Italy in years and the audience, including the 17 years old myself, was expecting something else. They obviously had an album to promote but it wasn't well received, they changed a few songs for their concert in Rome a few days later which was I think very gracious of them. I had a bootleg tape of that concert, I obviously lost it now but I still remember an incredible performance by Phil on the Lamb lies down on Broadway.
They played Supper's Ready at that show. Some people are hard to please!
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Yes, I can believe that the Italians would not like Abacab. They have sophisticated musical tastes with opera etc. I think they were the first country to really appreciate Genesis back in the 70s
You clearly didn't watch a quarter of a million Italians lapping up Invisible Touch and I Can't Dance in 2007.
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A mobster.
Oh, that old saw
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I would like to believe we can go beyond the boundaries of personal taste and particularly with the benefit of hindsight, admit...The Specials, Madness, Howard Jones, Nik Kershaw, Ultravox are really not in the big league
And yet I know folk whose love for those artists rivals my own for Genesis and they would argue otherwise.
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Make it two. Pisa, Italy, 1982
Different tour.
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Sinatra was a what? A "capo"? What on earth...? He was a bona fide manic depressive and yet you claim he never "felt bad".
Anyway, you're wrong in thinking that being more successful makes you care less about what people think about you. Dead wrong, mate.
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And in some cases so do I but it is not enough to qualify them as artist who left a mark.
I don't think there's any point in asking you to clarify which artists because I clearly disagree, having thought highly enough of them to list them above.
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I would only say that many of some you listed seem to have left to legacy to speak of. The came and went.
And I'm still listening to them
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Is it really true about Abacab and the booing? I can’t believe it.
It happened once out of sixty-eight gigs. At Leiden, I believe.
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Phil doesn't seem to cope with it particularly well. There is evidence for that, isn't there?
Oh god, yes, tons! He also happens to be considerably more successful than his peers in Genesis. I'm sure - as I said before when I mentioned Frank Sinatra - that the response to negative criticism in artists who are mind-boggingly successful is not just a coincidence.
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How's this for rock and roll excess: the members of Brand X used to glue the hotel telephone to the receiver and turn the volume up high on the tv set so that the next person who turned it on would be temporarily deafened. Crazy!
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You get no argument form me over how poorly Genesis albums up to Trick have been produced. What I cannot stand about IT is how ''glossy'' the production is, mind you, it wasn't just our heroes that was the sound of the time. An era I find particularly bad for music.
And for me, the eighties was the last truly great period for music. That's the decade when I started listening to music and a lot of great artists came out of that era - The Police, The Specials, Madness, Duran Duran, Howard Jones, Nik Kershaw, Ultravox, Phil Collins, Soft Cell, Tears For Fears, Eurythmics, Depeche Mode, Alison Moyet, The Smiths, George Michael, Talking Heads, Metallica, Iron Maiden...and they're just the ones I can recall off the top of my head.
As for producers, Hugh Padgham, Bob Clearmountain, Steve Lillywhite, Daniel Lanois, Giogio Moroder, Nile Rodgers, Trevor Horn, Prince, Quincy Jones and Rick Rubin are a pretty impressive list.
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That and the fact there are no incidents reported or documented to dispute their own claims. If you have other elements or infos, by all means...
What claims? They haven't made any. You're presuming that most artists aren't thin-skinned individuals who dislike criticism based on the little you know about a few members of Genesis.
Whereas I, who have worked in the business since the mid-nineties, have given you an informed opinion that being sensitive to criticism is endemic in the arts. That's not enough for you? Fine, continue to presume the contrary if it suits you.
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I don't know what to tell you, personally, I find everything on IT cute and pretty, too much for me, when it is not the song per se it is the sound and the production. It just grates me.
Personally, I have greater issues with the production of Trespass and Nursery Cryme. Who was it who produced the latter? Was it the same producer that Van der Graaf used? Whilst their albums sounded pretty good, Nursery Cryme just sounds appalling.
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Well, of course ''seemed'' is the word to by if we don't take Phil's words at face value, there's no reason to do it for the others. Yet, there is no contentious episode, regarding other band members and the media recorded and they all had a quite rough deal as a band.
You're presuming that they don't dislike negative criticism because they don't have a history of writing to newspapers.
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she later claimed to be "gabrielite" since she was born, because at a given time she realised that she would come across as more intellectual or something.
Therein lies the musical snobbery exhibited by some prog rock fans. The conceit that something is somehow more viable as a piece of art simply because it requires more thought on behalf of the audience is just pretentious.
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I can see that but the difference is stuff like IT is unlikely to grow on you. It is conceived to be immediate, if it doesn't hit you immediately, it sort of misses the point.
Well, that's certainly true of the title track and some of the other tunes but certainly Tonight Tonight Tonight, The Brazilian and Domino are not immediately accessible. I put an edit of the album together which includes the three b-sides. For me, it makes for a much more balanced album between the immediate tunes and the heavier numbers. Considering those three tracks are - in my opinion - three of the best songs they've ever made, I couldn't imagine Invisible Touch without them.
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Tony, Mike, Peter and Steve never seemed to suffer much from it. Peter said clearly that you have to be ready to go out and accept people might hate you. Tony is rumored and I don't know whether that's true or he just said that, of having stopped reading the reviews altogether once he realized they weren't going to get a fair chance from the media and they were generally misunderstood. Not Phil. He read everything and on occasion made it a point to reply publicly to the articles.
I think the key word here is "seemed". I think the more successful the artist, though, the more vocal they are about criticism. Not because their ego can't take it, quite the opposite in fact. It's their receptiveness to criticism that has put them at the top of the tree. I mentioned Frank Sinatra earlier, a man who was exceptionally thin-skinned and who was arguably the most overt in his behaviour to his critics. He also happened to be the most successful entertainer of the 20th century.
