Posts by DavetotheB

Tonight! Stick Men (Tony Levin, Pat Mastelotto, Markus Reuter). As long as Mrs. DavetotheB gets off of work on time...

Considering a couple shows-will do at least one of them, probably both. Both at the Sellersville Theater...

Stick Men (Tony Levin, Markus Reuter and Pat Mastelotto)

The Security Project-a Peter Gabriel tribute headed by Jerry Marotta

Have seen both before-excellent performances.

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We can all argue until we're blue in the face with respect to what they could have played. The reality is that they were dealing with a major limiting factor (Phil) so they picked the songs (even ratcheted down 1-2 steps) that Phil could somewhat handle. That has to have been the main factor that determined the content of the setlist. Plus, this is the "trio" version of the band so I would have been a little shocked to hear Harold the Barrel lol. That being said, minor tweaks could have been made the setlist a bit more rounded in terms of their history (this is the last hurrah after all). Yes, I think it's a shame that none of Supper's Ready was included - that is their calling card. Could they have done the instrumental section (only) from the end of Willow Farm to the beginning of As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs? Yes, probably, though Phil would have been twiddling his thumbs for 10+ minutes. One thing I really wish they would have done is the intro/outro of Watcher of the Skies as they did in '76 (never liked the '82 version as it's in "E" - way too low compared to the original F# key) as an opener, as opposed to the omnipresent Behind the Lines. Also, 1 song from Trick. Again, it is what it is but I think they could have done a tiny little bit better, even acknowledging the tight parameters within which they were operating.

Loved the 2 shows I saw. Would have loved them more if something from Supper's Ready was included. What I was thinking was that they could have nixed the Cinema Show instrumental after Fading Lights and launched into the instrumental part of Apocalypse-no vocals whatsoever. Then take the tubular bells part right at the end right into Afterglow. Seems reasonable to me-time wise, no vocals to protect Phil and appealing to the 30% hardcore fans. Thoughts?

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Ok, some thoughts now that I slept (all of 3 hours).

The gig was phenomenal in nearly every way. Band on form, brilliant spectacle, good crowd. For the first half of Turn it on Again I thought Phil's voice sounded weak but by the end of the track, I thought he sounded 'normal" and remained that way pretty much for the rest of the gig. I also finally get what people talk about when they describe the power of the band live. You'd need the world's best home theater set up, the best quality recording and turn it way way up to get half the effect.

Highlights: everything really but honorable mentions include Duchess (top of all highlights - absolutely electric the way the start builds with the video display and then launches), Mama which is legit creepy in the lower key and acoustic Follow You when the crowd all held up their phone lights. I confess my eyes welled up a little. Also Domino, start of the second part. The power is ferocious, and so loud Tony's little melody over top sounded like ambulance so that it felt like a very dark, very aggressive EDM track and was disorienting in a great way.

Lowlights (not really): the opening duke bit surprisingly, felt a bit workmanlike/perfunctory. Could live without it tbh. Invisible Touch, the only track I got "we're playing this because we have to" vibes off the band. The ritual walking off stage before coming back for the encore. Unnecessary. Part of the video for Domino part 2. Let me explain. It starts out with this pounding, racing music and we're flying down this wormhole tunnel or something, it's incredibly intense and exciting, and then all of a sudden dominos are falling over... very, verrrry slowly. Like these dominos took a hefty swig of night nurse/NyQuil. Dude! Someone needs to speeds that shit up, the dominos should be flying everywhere at a zany tempo, it's way out of sync with the track.

Random observations. During Throwing it all Away, "our love was meant to be" coincided with Phil and Chester playing on barstools in a hotel room which I thought was too on the nose to be a coincidence but maybe it was. During I Can't Dance at the end the little walking cartoons start marching frenetically across the screen which I thought was hilarious. Tony had a booboo on his thumb.

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Great review! Making the drive from Philly to Boston in a couple hours for tonight's show.

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Further details on the bands own page: Planet Mellotron Album Reviews: Genesis

It says they hired one.

Not sure where I heard this but didn't they get the mellotron from King Crimson? Also not sure if it was the one for Trespass or NC.

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I'm not able to do a definite comparison at the moment, but based on the parts I can remember (particularly how "wine" is sung each time) it sounds very much like it's the same performance.

So, judging by this (as compared to the La Ferme performance and the studio version), the band shortened the song before making it longer again, and Peter changed how he sang "wine" before changing it back again. Odd.

Anyway, thanks.

I had a bootleg of this video back in the VHS days. It was labeled "Belgium TV" (you may be familiar with it) which makes sense since I remember the running time to be right at about 30 minutes. The session also included Salmacis, Hogweed, the Musical Box along with Alehouse. Is it possible that they used the shortened version of Alehouse to fit the 30 minute running time? (I think Hogweed was also shortened-and spelled "Geant" in the video)

My friend and I would watch this video constantly when we were teens. Somehow he managed to get his hands on 2 VCRs (unheard of in those days!) and asked if he could record it. I lent him the tape and after a day or so we got back together and he had to inform me that somehow he had erased the first several minutes of Salmacis (only the video was gone, the audio was still on the tape-not even sure how that was possible). He was completely gutted by what happened. Me too to be honest. If only we had been able to see into the future when all this stuff would be freely available on youtube...

Is this it?

Going to Friday's show!

Excited to get to see them one last time. I really thought the 2007 tour was going to be the last-the shows seemed to have some finality to them.

I don't think it's been mentioned here but does anyone think there could be a resurrection of the In That Quiet Earth/Apocalypse in 9/8 medley from the IT tour? Perhaps just the instrumental parts since the vocals are challenging. I know from some of the interviews at least some of SR was on the table for the setlist. It would be a shame for the possible last tour to not include at least a portion of their signature song from the early era. Thoughts?

Was just listening to the ITC medley from LA in 1986 and the thought occurred...

It's hard to ignore the first few notes of Genesis Live-absolutely captivating. And much better sound quality than Seconds Out (original mixes).

If the sound quality was better, I would have gone with Seconds Out, but Three Sides Live sounds soooo much better.

Final Answer: Live and Three Sides Live.

Why did it take Genesis until 2007 to put out a live album that had the ALL the track AND in order?

Solid album.

I went with I Grieve (far an away my fave), More Than this and Barry Williams (soft spot for this quirky song).

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I actually think this will be the soonest outcome, if you look at it closely. They have rehearsed all the songs and invested all that time and money into the stage set etc. If our government over here are so cautious for the coming months as Mike said it won’t be happening anytime soon. So why not cut your loses and look to performing where it’s practical to do so. If the United States are more accessible then why not for you USA fans?.

the question is though is the US allowing such live events soon?, can anyone over there chip in with thoughts?.

The answer is, "It depends." In the US, each state and sometimes municipalities (i.e. cities) within the states or even the venue itself have different rules for capacity limits. For example, baseball stadiums have capacity limits varying from allowing a small fraction of fans up to full capacity. It just depends on location (and politics).

I'm assuming the band would be playing mostly indoor venues and would want full capacity. That's probably going to take longer to realize than outdoor venues or limited capacity. Also, larger cities along the east coast have generally been slower to roll back restrictions related to gatherings.

My thought is that at some point, probably sooner rather than later for adults, everyone who wants to be vaccinated will be. That should allow restrictions to be rolled back further. The timeline for that? Mr. Rutherford seems think by the fall. I hope it's sooner but no one really knows for sure. We've come out a period where it was difficult to plan things two weeks in advance. To make predictions about things six months down the road without a lot of caveats is a shot in the dark at best IMHO.

Lamb, Fly, Cage, Carpet Crawlers and Riding the Scree (a hidden gem IMHO) were pretty easy pick. The sixth probably changes depending on my mood, but I went with Back in NYC. Slippermen, Waiting Room or Hairless Heart could at times round out the six. I also really enjoy the quirkiness of songs like Grand Parade and Counting Out Time.

Honestly like every song on this album. Feel like DWTMK, Firth and Cinema Show are far above the rest of the tracks. My fave of those is Cinema Show.

Dance, Entangled and Los Endos. DOAV because it's not only a great song, but it might be the most important song for the band having to prove themselves after Peter left. The first few notes followed by thunderous base pedals show they didn't lose a beat. What an intro! Los Endos is my favorite on the album. The third could have easily been Ripples or Squonk. Went with Entangled because that's the one I'm digging of the 3 right now.

I truly like every song on this album even the quirky RA&B and title track. Mad Man Moon is an outlier which I know gets a lot of love from the fan base. It's a good song and I like it, but it's never "clicked" for me-I just don't get it. But I also recognize that problem lies with me and not the folks who love the song.

Tough choice! Went with Vine, Unquiet Slumbers/Quiet Earth (it's one song-I don't care what the band says. for the record, my vote was for Quiet Earth) and Wot Gorilla. Blood, Afterglow and Earl are right there. While Blood on the Rooftops is a beautiful piece, it has never resonated with me like it does with most other fans. I know All in a Mouse's Night isn't a fan favorite, but I've always dug the story of the song. The only song I don't like on this record is YOSW. Don't do much skipping when listening to this album.

This one was probably the easiest of these polls for me. Down and Out, Burning Rope and Deep in the Motherlode. I always felt like DaO was an important song for the band, much like DoaV, since they were album openers during a time of band transition (Steve an Peter's departure, respectively). While DaO doesn't deliver the punch of DoaV, it's still a pretty powerful song. Undertow is solid. Unlike many, I have a soft spot for Ballad of Big and Scenes just because I like the stories. I generally skip the rest. Although FYFM has been growing on me since seeing it performed in 2007. It's a song I generally couldn't stand before that.

This one is a lot harder to just choose 3! I feel like I'm slighting a lot of good songs... I went with TIOA, which was my gateway to Genesis music after hearing the TSL version, Dukess Travels (I include Duke's End in that as well-not really sure how you can separate the two) and Duchess. I could have easily gone with BTL but have really been digging Duchess of late. Heathaze is up there but just short of the my top 4. I kind of lump all the rest in the next level except Misunderstanding which I've never really cared for.

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Too lazy to write the same ones out so just quoted this. Seems consistent with others. Overall though I love this album, it's my 2nd favourite after The Lamb. At the time I, alone among genesis fans at school (who acted like I was a heretic), really liked the change of direction, the punchier rhythms and the greater sense of space. In recent years, my respect for it and them increased when I learned they discarded a load of new material as it was sounding too Genesisy and went on to make this album instead. What a great, bold move. I agree with Christian about the importance of this album.

I also agree that Another Record is a very singular track, I have quite a soft spot for it.

I disagree with you DavetotheB that the live versions of the tracks you listed were great. Dodo was OK, but I didn't like the looser swing Thompson brought to it. The tighter, stiffer album version wins it for me. The KID from the Mama tour didn't work in my view, it couldn't really as it lost the percussive complexity that makes the album version sound so rich. M&SJ on 3SL is bordering on a mess and lacks all the atmosphere of the original especially the oomph of that exultant penultimate segment.

But with each successive tour they turned the title track into a great surging piece of rock music with some of my favourite dual drumming. It was the one track that really properly took off live. Odd, considering the nature of the album.

It was a great shame it went unrepresented on the 07 tour, being such a pivotal album.

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To each his own which goes without saying, I suppose. Will agree that Abacab was the best of the live versions.

Tough choices! That could very well change for me in a couple days...

Dodo/Lurker at the top pretty easily. Then it gets murky...Went with Abacab and Keep it Dark. Me and Sarah Jane could have easily been in there. Great live versions for all these songs!