Posts by foxfeeder





    Nothing against Daryl but I am glad they didn't, I think I've already explained why in another thread.

    ATTW3 was personally the first time with a Genesis album, I could have lived without the half of it. It had never happened before, I don't necessarily agree with your list of the songs worth something but I agree it is a mixed bag. Even songs which are potentially good, like D&O seem to miss something: energy, conviction some grit. It sounds like they were itching to change something, didn't know how to do it and resorted to carless editing, like with Undertow which I think is really good. We can venture what would have happened with Steve on board: better guitar sound, perhaps an instrumental or a couple of songs more to make the record better. Co-written songs I guess, I struggle to find a song Steve has written on his own on a G album. We equally can guess what wouldn't have happened: Steve getting 25% of the material or setting the tone of the album.

    I think we can safely say, with Tony on board, no one was getting an equal share of anything, or setting the tone, Even Peter couldn't wangle that!

    I didn't speak to Steve Hackett, and he didn't run away. Instead, he went to get some jam or chutney or something.


    It was in M&S in Twickenham about 2 years ago. I found him stood next to me, he was with who I presumed was his wife. They were discussing boxes of chocolates and after some deliberation selected a very luxurious looking big box. It was called Kings and Angels or something similarly hyperbolic, I remember thinking it could be the title of one of his albums.


    He added it to the carton of milk in his basket and they headed off in the direction of pickles and preserves.

    I remember this story from the old forum, but you had a different UserID then.

    Surprisingly Ian I disagree, but I also think it depends on the band and the genre. If you told me that too much emphasis is placed on songwriting in, say Weather Report, I might even agree. Ultimately, given the instrumental contribution by Joe, Wayne and even Jaco, who actually wrote the song is really not that important, given that it is based on a sketch of an idea and played almost every night in a different way. Genesis however, were all about songwriting, they saw themselves as songwriters and rarely incurred in the original sin of other prog-bands where noodling took over and form trumped substance.

    Much as I appreciate their instrumentals which have almost always a songwriting element to them, I really like their songs. Steve knew that too, that's why he pushed to have more material on the album, he was growing frustrated because he no longer wasn't content to be only a great guitarist. Phil was at that time, the one who didn't overly care, in fact he wanted to carry on as an instrumental band.

    ATTW3 is the biggest piece of evidence produced by Steve's fans, the premise being that it was their weakest album hitherto. I happen to agree but some fans don't.

    There's some truth there, Steve's sound is missing and certainly the album could have used a couple of good songs more but as I said many times, it's quite contradictory to say Steve was shortchanged, suffocated, underused which is all true and then claiming that one album is not so strong because he left. IF ATTW3 is not as strong as its predecessors, it is due imo to other problems plaguing the band in that period. Phil was understandably absent-minded, in fact I don't particularly enjoy his playing and singing on the album. He was starting to be fed up with some of lyrics and thinking about joining the Who. That doesn't bode well for any album. They were starting to think about changing, everything around them suggested that but they had no idea how and clearly they were working with formulas that were becoming stale. The notion that things unraveled because Steve left lacks logic and basis, is far-fetched and doesn't explain Duke: strong material, excellent sound and loads of energy.

    It might be contradictory if you don't agree that his playing and arrangements were an important element, the point is ATTWT is bland due to lack of a couple more good songs AND some major guitar input. As you say, we will never agree on this and neither will legions of other fans, based either side of the argument.


    I'll live with that.

    Tend to agree with this. Too much emphasis is placed on songwriting. Take the Moody Blues as an example, a much more democratic band. Ray Thomas and Graeme Edge both wrote songs, but Ray didn't do chords, (He played Flute) And Graeme had even less experience, so Justin Hayward would come up with chords and arrangements. He apparently, on at least one occasion, ran 2 completely different sets of chords past Ray for the same song, and Ray was equally happy with both. So, in effect Justin was a songwriting contributor, but didn't take credit, both Ray and Graeme have confirmed this "arrangement" arrangement with gratitude. Even earlier, when Justin wrote Nights in White Satin, it was Mike Pinder who came up with the mellotron sequence after the first sung line, yet he got no credit.


    My point is, in a band, even though one person may have written the song, the others all end up contributing to the final sound, Firth of Fifth is a classic example. would the flute solo have had as big an impact on the world?


    Steve's impact may have not been huge at the start, as Ant was a good guitarist and the comparison would have been less stark, but when he left, the sound changed immensely, ATTWT is a very lame sounding album after the W&W, even Wot Gorilla stands out in comparison, and it's the second worst track on there. Only 4 tracks are adequate on ATTWT, Motherlode, Many Too Many, Lady Lies and FYFM, the rest really needed a guitarist to lift them. Sadly, he'd moved on, and an era had ended.

    Born with Teeth - Cock Robin

    Here I stand and Face the Rain - a-Ha

    Skin Flicks - Barclay James Harvest

    Back To the Wall - Barclay James Harvest

    Heart Full of Soul - Box of Frogs

    Let Your Heart Rule Your Head - Brian May

    I had the Love in my Eyes - Chris De Burgh

    The Girl with April in her Eyes - Chris De Burgh

    The Devil's Eye - Chris De Burgh (all on the same album!)

    I only Have Eyes for You - Art Garfunkel

    Bright Eyes - Art Garfunkel (Both UK no. 1 singles for him solo!)

    Tender Hands - Chris De Burgh

    In Meinen Armen - Cosa Rosa

    Toe the Line - GTR

    Your Face - Helen Watson

    Five Fingers - Peter Kingsbery

    The Fundamentals of Brainwashing - Steve Hackett

    No Language in Our Lungs - XTC

    Knuckle Down -XTC


    New Musik - From A to B


    One of my favourite bands of the 80's. Pure pop but absolutely loved them and still play their music on a regular basis (only made 3 albums)

    They were very good, always felt they occupied the same territory as the Korgis, though I much preferred the latter. A friend of mine (who sadly died a month ago,) was a big fan and we used to goad each other. This World of Walter certainly confused a few people on first viewing the tracklist!

    Why do you do that? You are able to write interesting, informing and funny posts, And then you show up and kick some one in the balls, who is a highly appreciated person with a reasonable issue. I just don`t understand it. Do you wish to get banned from this forum or what?


    I meant to report this post to the moderators but it had already been done...

    And not by me, though I would have. And he didn't reach the balls, he ain't big enough!

    :D:D:D Keep telling yourself that, sweet-chips, and eventually you might convince yourself it's true. But until you can tell the difference between Firth of Fifth, The Return Of The Giant Hogweed and The Musical Box, you'll still be a confused, bitter, pitiful little man.

    Jeez, it took you a long time to come up with that! Was it really worth the effort? Sadly, no. Still, it's another step towards the exit door. ;)

    A question for the KC fans, I like them and all but I feel sometimes Fripp is a bit overrated as guitarist and songwriter. Your take on that?

    As a guitarist, technically, I feel that having watched him play, he may very well be the best there is, BUT, like Moraz or Mariah Carey, he does not appreciate what musicality really is, he does not understand "less is more". While he can deliver real beauty in stuff like "Starless", "North Star", the 2 tracks he contributed to on Midge Ure's "Breathe", or Heroes, he can then turn in pointless drivel like the whole of the "League of Gentlemen" album.

    The Invisible Man I have on my hard drive. This show was from the 70s and stars David McCallum. This show could not of been a success as they only made 1 series including a pilot. Though I did like the character that palyed his wife at the time. ^^

    Ah. I'd forgotten about that one, just looked it up on IMDB, one of the creators of the show was Steven Boccho, who about 6 years later would shake up the whole detective TV series world with the ground-breaking, and truly brilliant "Hill St. Blues".


    But the series I meant was the 1959 one, which I only remember as a very small child. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051285/?ref_=nv_sr_5

    No I didn't. And that isn't a solo in Hogweed; it's the opening riff.

    Errrrr…….. Yes, you did!


    Your Own Special Way


    I wasn't referring to the paragraph about Musical Box, I was referring to the other, hypocritical paragraph where you heap praise on Steve: "he was extremely innovative, inventing at least two styles which would inspire many players", a far cry from your past comments about him.