As Tony's said himself in interviews, him not taking any of his albums on the road may have hindered his appeal too.
He was never likely to anyeay as he's said that he's not a natural on stage and has a dislike of plane travel.
Quite likely, one might say he got in the way of his enormous talent.
BTW, does anyone else hear a distinct stylistic resemblance between the extended bridge section in this song and the one in "Deep in the Motherlode"?
Mike?
he did bring Fish in for Bank Statement...probably the most recognised singer.
I actually like ACF...well some of the tracks anyway...maybe the impression that some of the tracks were highlighted to the band..but went , no thanks Tony!
As others have mentioned, with no one to curtail his keyboards, some of the tracks can seem ovet complicated
He kept changing singers, it didn't help, I believe.
Certainly not true of Abacab for which they had the five non-album tracks and, by their account, a load of stuff they junked because it was sounding too much like the previous three albums.
True, they had a lot of stuff for Abacab but they had adopted a sort of anything goes approach to songwriting and it's easier to be more prolific in that way, from Abacab on though, they released a Live, another studio album and all three released solo projects, all within 2 years.
Re the above comments about TBs solo career, I agree completely also about the reasons he basically failed. I do find it interesting that it wasn't for lack of trying with collaborators but those efforts never seemed to find the secret sauce that makes for success (outside Genesis obviously). I personally like the one where he tried it alone (The Fugitive) more than any of the others. So should he have tried that more, or tried with yet more collaborators?
Personally, I think it would have helped to find ONE good, recognizable singer, the way Mike did with Paul Carrack for instance, a singer is always the key to success and Tony's voice wasn't really success material. I assume he would have opposed lyrics by someone else, but I think it would have helped too, I like Tony's lyrics, and they were great...For Genesis....in the 70s....With the new decade and his inability to adapt, they were unnecessary weight. Tony is deep, too much for the 80s. Ultimately, as brilliant as he is and he really, really is, I don't think it's a matter of talent, rather personality, he probably wasn't good collaborating, as shown in the band and he needed to be.
I'm glad people seem to like side B of that album but personally I think it has the space it deserves which is pretty much oblivion. I've always thought they were short of material from 81 and 83 which is understandable considering their output; Abacab, 3Sides live, Shapes, Hello I must be going, The Fugitive and Acting very strange, plus the incessant touring. After Phil's success they clearly and rightly understood they had to push hard, but for me quality suffered a bit. I've personally never had a problem with the new course, Mama is as great a song as anything they have done before but suddenly their albums were packed with fillers or at least very niche songs, some were never played live, some others were but disappeared quite quickly from the set. The 3-4 songs on Abacab and Side A of Shapes would have made a great album for my money. I wonder if something like Just a job to do would have grabbed my attention without the name Genesis on it and the answer for me is invariably no.
It holds massive sentimental value to me; I still listen to it and there's a lot of nostalgia involved but of course with the years the cracks became more evident. I was never crazy about the singer, and I've always thought it was a mistake not to have session musicians, apart from Kim and Chester, also the tunes on the album are probably not amongst Tony's strongest. It confirms what I've always thought about Tony, he's brilliant, he has the chords, the melodies, the harmonies and the lyrics but he needs people around him, mainly to edit him and secondly to provide a different, edgier and fresher input, I feel his inability to acknowledge that really hindered his solo career.
Poor, the only thing memorable is Phil's vocal performance, wasted on such a forgettable song.
The new album is quite good and I think it is a bit better than the last few ones with DL. Especially for Genesis fans there is a lot to discover.
I agree, new singer aside, the material seems to be more solid than on their last releases, I confess I got a bit worried with their last albums, but this one, even though it doesn't reach their previous peaks, is sort of a return to form.
But I seem to be in a minority...
So it seems, mind you, I still prefer David and by a lot but after having seen the live performances and listened to the new record, I can confidently say Alberto is doing an excellent job and I expect him to develop further. That said, voices, tone, timbre and vocal mannerism are like colors, some you like, some others you don't, and the best part is, you don't even need to have a reason.
You can pick up to five albums
I'm not sure my appreciation of Steve's solo career amounts to 5 albums 
Spectral Mornings, by a lot, then Acolyte and Darktown.
I like this track, but the sound could be better and I agree - Steve needs a fresh sound / producer.
Perhaps, most importantly though IMO, he would have needed, throughout his career, a singer and a songwriting partner.
Same thing regarding the overall sound they had at the time (let's say, From Trick to Duke, that "polished", "evened" sound). Almost 25 years after I discovered them, it's still the sound I have in mind when I think about the band, yet I understand why a lot of fans don't like it.
It's not really a metter of not liking it, at least not for me, ir's rather a case of too much of the good thing, by ATTW3 the formula was getting old and bland for me and this song sort of epitomizes that.
5 for me, I find it a bit uninspired and formulaic. the lyrics are anonymous, and the melody just falls flat for me. It's a Tony's song and I'm supposed to like it, I usually do but not in this case.
Solsbury Hill
Humdrum
Here Comes The Flood
Again, not a great album.
9 for me, cute, a pleasant listen but not really a song that leaves its mark. Great vocals though.
Not a great fan of this album, Indigo, Mother of Violence and White Shadow for me.
Peter, Tony and Mike in this order for me. Ant and Steve occasionally wrote interesting bits.Phil's lyrics rarely resonate with me.
He said something along the lines of having to sing a song like that is what finally made him decide to leave Genesis. Also made disparaging remark about how the song doesn’t belong in this century.
I don't personally remember Phil saying the ''doesn't belong in this century'' bit, I know he labeled it as a period song, and he might have had a point. Look, I don't want to be too hard on Phil, surely at times Tony has penned quite bookish lyrics, a mouthful too but when I think of Phil's lyrics, apart from a few exceptions, I feel he should be more cautious with the criticism.
