Posts by martinus

    I went through a typical youtube rabbit hole last week: Genesis albums ranked to worst to best. I saw several of those videos, Abacab did consistently poorly, the general feeling however was not hatred, that was reserved for IT, rather indifference.

    Isn't that peculiar? With many people foaming at mouth when Whodunnit? is mentioned and with the famous booing concerts I would have expected it to be the other way round: hate for Abacab because of its music, and indifference to IT, because its music is pop.

    Big boost for NC there, which bar the odd exception was doing quite badly. Doesn't seem to be much love for it on this board, which surprises me.

    I have ranked the albums by the percentage of songs I skip. On Nursery Cryme, there are none. Foxtrot has Watcher which has become too pompous for me, Wind & Wuthering has the dreadful Your Own Special Way...

    At the other end of the ranking, while I like a number of songs on Trespass, I only like them one at a time. So when I'd enjoy Looking For Someone I'd skip much of the rest, but the same could happen with The Knife (and skip the rest) or White Mountain (and ... you get the picture).

    The albums in between are, well, in between.

    Plus, Nursery Cryme got the mixture of fast/slow and loud/quiet right, I think. It'd work just fine as a setlist, albeit a short one.

    Nursery Cryme

    Wind & Wuthering


    Selling England By The Pound

    The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway

    A Trick Of The Tail



    Invisible Touch

    We Can't Dance

    Calling All Stations


    And Then There Were Three

    From Genesis To Revelation


    ... This list is valid until probably ten minutes ago :-) ...

    Moonlit Knight's post in Food And Drink reminded me of the book I'm currently reading, Colum McCann's Apeirogon.

    It is the story of a Palestinian father whose child was killed in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. It is also the story of an Israeli father whose child was killed in the Israeli-Palestinian conflict. And of their mutual understand that "it is not over until we talk".

    It is more than that, though. It is a "panorama in a caleidoscope" of the conflict between Israel and Palestine. I am half-way through the book, and I must say that it has given me a much clearer understanding of why it seems so frustratingly impossible to solve this mess or make sense of it. The metaphor for this is the apeirogon, a geometrical shape with a countable infinite number of sides.

    Apocalypse peaks in the "brand-new tune" line, I agree, but I would argue that it does not end there. There is a bit of postlude to it before the music moves on to As Sure As Eggs Is Eggs.

    The bit between "brand-new tune" and "Can't you feel our souls ignite?" does not really fit to Apocalypse? But it doesn't really fit to Eggs, either! It's a transitional bit that's neither fish nor flesh (nor egg), but it's absolutely crucial to make the narrative of Supper's Ready come full circle.

    During the first parts we have moved from the couple on the sofa through a succession of most peculiar images to nothing less than The End Of The World, the ultimate, final battle between good and evil - but before everything and the song dissolves in the eternal bliss of the New Jerusalem the scene flashes back ever so briefly to the couple on the sofa - and then the big cinemascope finale of heaven.

    Should this transitional verse be assigned to Apocalypse? Or to Eggs? You could justify both. But as per the distribution of lyrics on the original Genesis have decided count it as part of Apocalypse. Artists' decision, and I can live with that. So, no, there's nothing wrong with Supper's Ready (apart from, depending on your recording and your point of view the facts that a) Peter sings it, or b) Phil sings it, or c) Ray has never fully sung it :-) )

    As an aside, with the record company's unblemished record of at least one stupid mistake per (re-)release it is also entirely possible that Genesis could have assigned the transitional verse to Eggs. But they have been consistent in this, which they usually have not been in their mistakes...

    two footnotes to the previous two comments:

    One - the city of Wuppertal in the valley of the Wupper river is among the areas hit hard by floods in the last couple of days.

    Two - more than a hundred people died in the floods. "Crossing Jordan river" or, more literally, "going over the Jordan river" is a colloquial term for dying.

    (I don't think Murdock was smiling when he posted )

    As has been outlined in various posts here, there are various levels of authenticity to those "reaction videos".

    As has also been outlined in various posts here, though there are some markers that hint at those levels of authenticity we cannot usually say for sure whether they are genuine or fake or somewhere in between.

    There is not much to be gained from going on in that vein.

    Bringing up the vaxxing/antivaxxing topic serves only to poison the discussion. Please refrain from doing that! You're all above that.

    To put it all in a nutshell:

    Please remember your manners, and do return to the subject.

    I see. About Harold Demure, that is. But then "he's still not quite sure", so doesn't that make him the kind of gender-fluid and partner-orientation-fluid person that is discussed so much these days?

    What does the politically and socially advanced 71 year old Peter Gabriel think of the 23 year old Peter Gabriel

    singing line "and Harold Demure who's still not quite sure" in the way he did.

    Apparently I'm not noticing something here. Perhaps a non-native speaker thing. Could you please explain? What is so special about the line and the way it was sung back then?

    Fols, would you mind taking your discussion about what may or may not constitute a hit somewhere else, please?

    That way we could return to the original topic of the thread.

    Thank you.

    I started listening to this podcast only yesterday. So far, just episode one. Contentwise it seems to oscillate between amusing little-known facts and irrelevant remarks. That's okay, a podcast that contains only new information would be a sensation indeed.

    But can I ask you... Phil's speech sounds so slurred to me. Does that get better in later episodes of the podcast?

    Excellent choices and yes I too like the 'clean' unfussy approach.

    Mind you, I also enjoy the "kitchen sink approach". Sgt Pepper has already been named, and I'd add The Doors's Strange Days to it. More often than not, those cluttered album covers make me want to tidy up my room, though.

    I like Mike Oldfield's Crises cover. Clean, very reduced, yet it makes you curious for the story told in the picture.

    And Sinéad O'Connor's I Do Not Want What I Haven't Got, too, for similar reasons. It is difficult to have an interesting photo of the artist as the album cover that is not run off the mill.

    Finally, Tori Amos's Under The Pink:


    One - that deep deep voice (Is that still alto? contralto? whatever, it's deep).

    Two - the oboe. So yearning, so beautiful.

    Three - the atmosphere in the video, like Dorothea Lange's Dust Bowl photographs translated to South America.

    Four - the song. It's one of very few where everything comes together for a perfect piece of music.