Posts by StillCan'tDance

    And wasn't Phil Peter's best man at his last wedding? Or was it the other way around?


    Around the eighties, when they all lived in Surrey, a lot of musicians seemed to apppear together at various domestic functions. These included Mike Rutherford, Phil Collins, Peter Gabriel, Eric Claton, Jimmy Page, Steve Winwood and Robert Plant. As wedding bands go, I don't think it gets much better than this lot!

    I had this album on tape, then on vinyl and now I have it on CD courtesy of the Take A Look At Me Now campaign. Along with Brothers In Arms, No Jacket was one of those albums that everyone seemed to have in the eighties. And I think it sounds just as good as it ever did. Top-hole production from messrs Collins and Padgham with spot-on playing from all the musicians. I don't know if it was because Phil had just done the album with Frida that he decided to do a more dance-orientated album (There's Something Going On being a huge hit on the dancefloors) but I think it was an experiment that worked extremely well.


    Phil was digging Prince and and The System (David Frank appears on this album) and he wanted to create a sound that was reminiscent of that. The American r'n'b artists loved it while, in England, the NME did a hatchet job on Phil's new musical direction.


    Despite the heavy rhythmic numbers, Phil delivered one of his most powerful "angry songs" with Inside Out as well as the beautiful ballad One More Night. In addition, we have Long Long Way To Go about issues such as terrorism and war being reduced to snippets on the news that we can switch off and thus make it all go away. The other "serious" song was Take Me Home which was inspired by One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest.


    If anyone has but one Phil Collins album, it's usually this one. And for good reason; No Jacket Required was the point at which his popularity reached an all-time peak.

    You see, we've argued over Steve and his contribution, but after all that, it seems, you DO get it

    I believe the disagreement stems from my stance on Steve being very much a marginal contributor versus the opinion that he was an integral part of the writing team. I have, however, always acknowledged his pioneering of two techniques of playing in Genesis (and music in general) and what a major achievement that is.

    I agree 100%. Always liked that tune. The 12inch version is also quite nice. Who would have thought they'd do a 12inch of such a long track?

    John Potoker had done the 12 inch remixes of the hit singles from No Jacket Required and Phil had been happy enough with the results to incoporate some of them in his stage performances of the songs. I wish they'd asked "Tokes" to come back and do some remixes of the We Can't Dance tunes as I think he's a major talent.

    Yowza, Genesis goes heavy metal! That's certainly what I thought when I first heard it back in the day. Steve Hackett is all over this song like beans on toast, the duel between keyboards and guitar at the start of the song becoming something of a signature sound for the band. And the tapping technique that Steve pioneers on this song would go on to be a staple of heavy metal in years to come.


    How about that? You're only just joined the band and aready you're an innovator!


    The bass and the drums lock in and, musically, this is one of the most together pieces of music the band ever wrote. It all ends with Tony's doomy and dramatc chords and the listener has to take a few deep breaths before turning the record over.


    I gave it a '13' simply because Gabriel's vocals tend to ruin the thing for me. Like Watcher Of The Skies, it's just got far too many words, giving the song a claustrophobic sound that doesn't really appeal.

    Has this got ugly?! I think it's been OK so far with people simply stating their views and being fairly uncontentious.


    One of the things I like about this type of forum is that you have a mix of the on-topic stuff and a range of other topics. I realise politics threads can get heated but I think this one has been relatively calm to date.

    Presumably Christian is just heading off any kind of unpleasantness at the pass. As you say, everyone has been civil thus far. When the current issue seems to be intolerance of the views of others, such civil discussion should be encouraged and applauded.

    I personally don't watch much news on any channel

    Then how you can make such bold claims about their dishonesty and bias?


    By the way, here's a recent comment from a "normal" American: One of the things I miss most about Barack Obama is his sense of humor. Trump’s only idea of being funny is to give mean and demeaning nicknames to those who oppose him. It’s an index into the man’s unpleasant character.


    The above was said by Stephen King. A man who is neither dishonest nor biased. Just a normal American.

    Will this stuff become available to download through legitimate channels at some point?


    Oh, and keep up the good work :thumbup:

    Getting back to the lyric, there's a very minor thing that makes me smile as it brings to mind my English teacher Mr Jeffries. He advised against ambiguity, such as "I scratched my head with my dog by my side." He'd point out you weren't literally using the dog by your side to scratch your head. Similarly - "I rang the bell with my heart in my mouth" would've had him asking if the narrator had his heart clenched between his teeth while pushing it against the doorbell.

    "This morning I shot an elephant in my pyjamas. What it was doing in my pyjamas, I'll never know." Groucho Marx.


    I don't think the rules that apply to writing literature apply to poetry or song. There's a raft of lyrics out there that one could easily pick apart if they were to subject them to the rules espoused by Strunk and White :)

    Given how biased and downright dishonest much of the media is...

    All forms of media have an agenda. To reinforce my position, though, your president hangs himself with his own words (late night outbursts on Twitter et al) much more effectively than any newspaper or tv station ever could. However, given the choice between a biased news team and fundamentalist, right-wing Christian (so-called) bigots, I'd take the support of the news hacks any day of the week. Ergo, I judge a man not just on his words and deeds but also by the company he keeps. And your man trump does keep some rather dodgy company.

    Question is: does it make sense to rate something older as "better" in comparison with more recent stuff?

    And the answer is an unequivocal "no". Why should a band in 1986 be making the same kind of music they did over a decade ago?


    Onto a happier subject, the song itself is outstanding. Phil used to sing the refrain during the jamming of Monkey/Zulu and lines such as "coming down like a monkey" suggested the theme of dependency and desperation. The instrumental section is inspired, the drama building mysteriously until the band turn it up to eleven for a classic, dramatic finale. A real high point of a truly classic Genesis album.

    No question, this is a truly outstanding track. Their comeback single after five years, the difference in sound was immediately appparent. Gone were the synth drums and polished sound of Invisible Touch, replaced now with a much more organic feel. Phil's voice hadn't sounded this passionate since Mama but by now he'd ditched the compressor that he'd used to such great effect throughout the eighties, allowing for a more natural vocal sound.


    The ticking of the clock, followed by an elephantine growl certainly makes for an unusual opening and the narrative-based lyrics recalls the band's strength for story-telling. At the song's climax, Mike crowns the whole thing with a great solo amidst crashing drums and angst-ridden vocals.


    I remember getting the digipack CD single back in '91, backed with Invisible Touch (live) and Living Forever, which gave a lot of hope for the forthcoming album with its cynical lyrics, Banksian chord changes and extended instrumental section. And the cover art by Felicity Roma-Bowers was just beautiful.

    I base my opinions on the state of American politics by watching its president and his cohorts performing on the political stage. Unless those people have been replaced by CGI characters, then I feel that my opinions have some validity.