That may be true (it's not really, I'm pretty lucky all things considered) but any issues I may or may not have are completely unrelated to the topic at hand.
I think you lack perspective, that's the issue at hand and it's wholly related to the topic. Ergo, I can't really believe that anyone would take Trespass over any of those albums listed.
My unasked-for take here is that the issue (for me) is one of bandwidth. If I lived to be a thousand I'd discover lots of the greats. But I'd also have Russian literature and latin American poetry and arthouse films and on and on to discover. As well as listening/watching/reading quality new material. Spoilt for choice!
Well, yes, there is that.
oh, the Mama-album doesn't have many many fans here. I wonder why, it's a good album!!
There seems to be a consensus that one side of the album is flawless (although there were still be some who say they don't like That's All) while side two is a somewhat lesser collection of tunes, and no-one can agree on which tunes on side two are good and bad!
Didn't know know about these, though it's not my thing. But answering my own question there is if course the Rick Wakeman stuff.
How do you know it's not your thing? Maybe try something different, you might find you like it.
It's funny. I got into the music of Genesis and it led me in all sorts of musical directions, many of them from artists that Phil Collins would name drop in interviews (Weather Report, Buddy Rich, Frank Zappa, John Martyn and Brian Eno for example). And yet other fans of the band never seem to stray beyond the progressive rock genre.
To each their own, and all, but in that one line "it's not my thing" you've just dismissed Gershwin, Elmer Bernstein, Billy May, Andre Previn and Nelson Riddle!
I liked it. I don’t have impossible expectations like most Genesis fans.
I like every documentary I've seen on the band (even those dodgy ones that don't feature any of the band members but have members of such musical giants as Mostly Autumn (?) dissecting passages of Genesis's music) because there's always something new to learn from them.
Phil in particular is most entertaining in this documentary, especially when talking about the band's first visit to America and the kudos of staying in hotels for which bands are known for being thrown out of. Or just that moment when he's sat listening to Fly On A Windshield and he's clearly really digging it.
Certainly, within the forum, it was considered a turkey.
But this forum is not the be-all-and-end-all of Genesis fandom. Far from it, in fact.
To be fair, you got your ass handed to you by TGA albeit with a lot more maturity than you appear to have displayed in your response. And you have the temerity to call me out on my so-called aggressive behaviour; I think it's high time you started looking at your own conduct (although I suspect that the fraternal relationship that you allege exists between Mike Rutherford and the Eagle Rock CEO is not too different to your association with the moderator of this here forum, based on the trolling and baiting in which you frequently indulge and yet receive no apparent reprimand).
If you must reply to this post, please consider your words carefully. You're started to wear on me (doubtless the intent) and right now I've a mind to report you just for saying "hello".
Any equivalents to [non lyrical interpretation of a particular idea] in the concept album field?
I've already mentioned Bitches Brew but another Miles Davis album would be Jack Johnson, about the great American boxer (although that does have a brief moment of dialogue at the end from Brock Peters). And then there's a couple of albums Miles made with Gil Evans: Porgy And Bess and Sketches Of Spain. And you can check out Tone Poems Of Colour, an album of orchestral pieces inspired by poetry and conducted by Frank Sinatra.
So, yes, there's plenty of stuff out there.
Are you a motorhead fan too? That's another band I'm hooked on. Saw them loads. Had tickets to see them again.nor long after he died. Still have them somewhere
"We are Motorhead and we play rock and roll". You don't get many bands like them. They were refreshingly free of any pretense; they just got on with the job in hand.
I consider myself very fortunate to have met Mr Kilmister once. It was many moons ago and I was in London. A friend of mine told me that "Ian" would be coming round later. I thought nothing of it until this giant of a man wearing a cowboy hat loomed in the doorway some hours later. Funniest thing was, my mate's mum was there - a lovely old dear - and Lemmy put one massive hand on her shoulder and boomed "Hello, Mrs Higgins!" Poor woman nearly had a coronary.
Thank you for your objective opinion, but don't you sometimes sing to yourself that old Genesis line "How could I be so wrong"?
No, probably because an opinion, by its very definition, can't be wrong. As you rightly say, though, at least my take on Trespass is objective.
When I first got into Genesis, this was the last of their albums that I bought. I'd even got From Genesis To Revelation before this one.
It's an album to which I've never been able to relate. It's all very naive and twee; even The Knife seems a little weak. My feelings have only been compounded over the years as I've gone back to check on what other artists were doing around the same time. You had The Beatles with Let It Be, Led Zeppelin had their third album out, Miles Davis had Bitches Brew while The Stones had only recently released Let It Bleed. All of which knock Genesis's meagre efforts into a cocked hat, I'm afraid to say.
Viewed objectively, subjectively, upside down or from right to left, Trespass simply isn't a very good album.
I think that solo is a good example of doing more with less; ie not a million notes a minute. There's a bootleg of a live version where he hit a bum note during it. I forget if it was Poland or dublin (which I was at). It's memorable for being a really loud wrong note, and also because you so rarely hear a mistake from them.
Oh, there's been a raft of mistakes over the years. I remember someone hitting a bum note at the start of That's All when they played Knebworth in 1990 and in the early days when they still played the piano intro to Firth Of Fifth Tony would often fluff notes. I've heard Chester go into the next bar of a song too early, I've heard no end of messed up lyrics from both Phil and Peter, I've heard Bill mess up during shows on the 1976 tour, I've heard Steve playing as though he's got three pairs of woolen gloves on and I've heard Mike get lost during Abacab.
Every band makes mistakes and plays duff notes from time to time.
That has made me really laugh. It's all your fault then ￼
Seriously, though, it was a real shock to hear that he had died. I think Lemmy died around the same time and I was equally floored by that announcement (although the sudden weight loss when Motorhead played Glastonbury should have alerted me that something was up with the great man).
I sense a little irony ...
Really? The kind of irony Alanis Morissette might sing about or an actual genuine understanding of the word? Most people who claim to be struck by irony don't seem to have the first clue as to what it means so, pray tell, Christian...
I prefer the live version, where you have a real guitar battle (Drennan/Rutherford) and an even more dramatic finale
I agree that the guitar duel is a true highlight of the song (and something they'd never done before) but the ending is somewhat overwrought. After all, The Dividing Line is one of the few songs on the album to have a genuine ending so I don't know why they didn't just go with that.
The song, though, is outstanding. It seems to me to be a Banks lyric, a typically astute observation on society from the reassuringly left-wing keyboard player. The synth bass, the whip-crack of Nir Z's drumming and Rutherford's bombastic guitar playing really show just how much effort the band were putting into making Genesis as vital a musical force as they'd ever been. A pity, then, that the PR department didn't put the same amount of effort into relaunching Genesis for a new era.
I never liked any of the stuff until I saw the promo for the song Lazarus which had me enthralled. And then he went and died, which I took as a personal rebuke for not liking anything he'd done before. So you have to admire his skill at timing, if nothing else.
Hmmm... Not sure, I could possibly, perhaps, more see it as a Macca solo song. Maybe, conceivably.
I'm sure they said it had a lot of The Beatles about it, a pop song with a Beatles melody was how they described it.
I also like Pigeons a lot. It gained quality when remixed in 2006/7
Yes, there's a nice effect on Phil's voice that reminds me of The Beatles, doubtless the intent.
Inside And Out was a real treat during one of the recent Hackett tours...
Pft, not with Dany La Rue on vocals.