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    So, the Final Night Of The Prog festival is history. Yes, it was the final edition, as announced late last year. Reasons for this are mainly logistics and infrastructure. It won't happen again on the Loreley.


    For me, it was a special festival. I have been part of the crew since 2015 and it certainly was as good, if not better, than the legendary edition in 2015.

    It was quite hot and it only rained during the final band, which was Big Big Train - as if the Loreley was crying ...


    Steve Hackett was the Saturday headliner and played to his bisggest ever crowd there. Bands like Arena, Riverside, Steve Rothery Band, The Flower Kings, Sylvan, Pendragon or Lazuli where all received well and newcomers like MEER, OK Goodnight, Inhalo, IZZ won the audience by Storm

    Alex Henry Foster had an amazing gig.


    and now it's over. There will be a Night of The Prog Cruise in 2026 ...

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    GENESIS - That's All

    Year: 1983
    Album: Genesis
    Working title: ?
    Credits: Banks/Collins/Rutherford
    Lyrics: Yes
    Length: 4:25
    Musicians: Tony Banks, Phil Collins, Mike Rutherford
    Played live: 1983, 1984, 1986, 1987, 1992 (snippet), 2021, 2022
    Cover versions: ?

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    Notes: Not Mama, but That's All brought Genesis great chart success in the USA. The song reached No. 6 and was almost too funky and cheerful for Genesis standards, even if the lyrics are rather ambivalent. With the exception of the dress rehearsal in 1998 (Bray Studios), Genesis did not play the song live after 1987 until 2021, meanwhile Ray Wilson still regularly includes it in his setlist.

    This looks awesome-but I just cannot afford something of this price right now. It would be fantastic to have those b-sides on vinyl (as it seems only Don't Call Me Ashley and Hero (demo) were released on vinyl before). But I would've really hoped for some unreleased material, like the fabled Deep Water Town.


    Although it does leave me curious to see what other future releases they might have up their sleeve?

    Deep Water Town and those things are unlikely to appear on future releases. The Concord deal includes "recorded music" and it's unlikely this includes demos and completely unreleased stuff.

    New track up today: a 1986 demo of This Is The Road, which has an opening lyric/melody re-used in both Make Tomorrow and This Is Party Man.


    I know this has been out there for a while, but the quality is much higher here than the previous version, and I believe it's a couple minutes longer. A fine addition to the collection.

    There was a snippet of that song several years ago, but I am not sure this is the same version, can anyone compare the tracks maybe? Am not at home.


    Nice to have this in great quality now!

    So, the concert in Dresden is now also a thing of the past


    It was moved from the "Ostra Dome" to "Tante Ju", a cult live club in the north of Dresden / industrial area, where Ray Wilson and David Rhodes have also performed. Steve, however, was playing open air and my fears that it would be some kind of car park were fortunately not fulfilled, in fact it was a very rustic area directly behind the club.


    Rough estimate and based on the rows of chairs (all seats occupied plus some standing) there must have been around 1,000 people in the end. Concerts in Leipzig AND Dresden are always difficult because it's only an hour away. Anyway - all good.


    The sound was impressive - really good. The view was also great. There was also sunshine on stage for the first few hours.


    The concert itself was one of the better ones I've seen from Steve. The joy of playing was great and the atmosphere in the band was super. The solos by Jonas and Craig were also fantastic.


    Shadow of the Hierophant remains his signature track for me and it's a shame that it didn't become a Genesis track.


    For me, Steve's trip to Dresden was once again particularly nice. On Sunday we (me and my partner) picked up Steve and Jo in their hotel Leipzig and went on a nice trip with them (apparently Jo Hacketts grand grand father comes from a village close to Leipzig, which we then visited, along with Moritzburg castle close to Dresden). On Monday we were invited to the band & crew dinner. On the way there we picked up Jonas Reingold, who was looking a bit lost on his way to the wrong restaurant. In the evening we had some great conversations - and an old acquaintance. Alec Morris quickly approached me and said ‘hey, we know each other’ - and, yes! on the day, he had lit the lights for the Carpet Crawlers in Welkers in 2017.


    Later, we had a beer with Jonas, Rob Townsend, Alec and Ben Fenner at Watzke Dresden, right by the Goldener Reiter. The band and crew really enjoyed the two days off in Dresden.


    Before the concert we were able to chat with Steve and Jo backstage and at the concert I saw many familiar faces from our German forum.


    I was especially happy to see my old pal Johannes again, who was in town with his family and spent the evening with us.


    Next stop: Loreley!

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    MIKE + THE MECHANICS - Over My Shoulder

    Year: 1995
    Album: Beggar On A Beach Of Gold
    Working title: ?
    Credits: Carrack/Rutherford
    Lyrics: Yes
    Length: 3:37
    Musicians: Paul Young, Mike Rutherford, Adrian Lee, Peter van Hooke, Adrian Lee (?)
    Played live: 1995, 1996, 1999, 2004, 2011, 2012, 2013, 2014, 2015, 2016, 2017, 2018, 2019, 2023
    Cover versions:

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    Notes: With Genesis, Rutherford was always regarded as the man between Banks, who preferred to compose a little more expansively, and Collins, who made more compact music and wanted to get to the point more quickly. With the Mechanics, Rutherford refined his songwriting and created a different world for himself. He succeeded in creating a whole series of first-class pop songs and Over My Shoulder stands out with its interesting rhythm and acoustic flair..

    Mike has been clear that he has no interest in revisiting his earlier solo career. I assume he has approved this remix of FGTR because he doesn't have to do much other than sign it off. Anthony is clearly still engaged and passionate about those early days and I expect the others as his friends have gone along with it, but I doubt they've had much involvement, outside of maybe a few lines of interview and green lighting the thing. I would love to be proved wrong but history clearly shows that Genesis are their own worst archivists. Anthony is probably the only exception to that - his solo career reissues show that he not only keeps things but he's willing to see them put out there.


    Either way I'm very excited for this release and hope it's a definitive summary of the pre Trespass era along with a remix of the album itself. This has the potential to be something rather special - and knowing how these things work it also has the potential to be a misfire.

    Well, the fact this release has been in the works for so long kind of indicates Peter is involved ;)

    We wait and we wonder ...

    Are you picking up this great overview soon?

    Yes, but it depends what you mean by soon.


    The short story is

    We have re-launched our German website, and we encountered several problems regarding the performance of the compendium articles. Basically, we need to rebuild them all so that they can be viewed on mobile phones and tablets as well. That would take some time.

    This English website would also be launched soon.but the forum will stay as it is.

    It seems like a re-release of the remasters from 2016 but I'm very excited about the original album artwork being from all the singles being included and a current interview with Phil in the booklet. I'm thankful to have something "new" from Phil ("Other Sides" came out over 5 years ago now),but like the others have said, I wish there was more included.

    The funny thing is - the 2016 rerelease was NOT a remaster.

    Genesis News Com [it]: Phil Collins - Both Sides (2016 Deluxe Edition 2CD) - review


    And they also included all previous mistakes - There is no unplugged Paris version of BSOTS.


    And then the live tracks. Hand in hand wasn’t performed during the tour, same with doesn’t anybody stay… quality control was never a strength and now it continues just like that. A pity.