Definitive Edition Remasters question: was a boxset ever released?

    Hello! I really love the series of definitive edition remasters, that features all albums (live and studio) from Trespass through Three Sides Live.


    Was a boxset of this series ever released? I did research on the Discogs.com database, and found none there.

    But I was wondering if some "obscure release" of this kind was ever released somewhere, even in a limited edition.


    For example, Japan's Disk Union store has released the 1999 releases of Trespass through Duke (that use the 94 remaster) in a limited edition, and this is not featured in Discogs.com. So I thought it would not be strange to find out that a special release with all those 94 remasters might have happened somewhere. It would be interesting to see those albums from Trespass through 3 Sides Live unified in such package.


    Cheers!

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    Thanks for the answer and link, rkive!

    Actually those are using the 2007 remixes for the albums, but that seems to be a really cool and complete set.

    It would be amazing if the band had done something similar by using the 1994 remasters.

    Well, I was seeing some of the Definitive Edition Remaster stickers on some albums, and they feature a GEN 1 mark, which would maybe "make them" unified by this catalogue tag.

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    From what I've read the 1994 remaster cds sound the closest to the original editions but I think it's missing WCD. :/


    P.S. Maybe this Genesis News topic explains better...

    Which CD remastering was the best for each album?


    indeed! The series only features the studio and live albums from Trespass through Three Sides Live.

    Since this era is my favorite one from Genesis, I would love if the band, or some distributor like Disk Union, would release a box unifying these releases with these masters.

    My "perfect" assortment uses the 1994 DER's of A Trick of the Tail, Wind and Wuthering, Duke, and Abacab, with the 2007 remixes of Three Sides Live up through Calling All Stations and And Then There Were Three.


    I really like the 2007 remixes of Trespass through Selling England by the Pound, and though there are a few errors on Foxtrot that bug me, it's not enough to kick it out of the club. The Foxtrot DER is really good too, in case those problems are too much. Likewise, if the extra drums on Trespass bother you the DER is miles ahead of the original CD version but the same original mix.


    I'm currently re-discovering the original CD mix of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, so it is my current go-to version. Once again the DER is really good too, and the 2007 remix is nice, but some the changes bug me and this is the one album in the entire catalog I think I prefer the grittier sound of the original mix or the DER more than the pristine sound on the remix.

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    From what I've read the 1994 remaster cds sound the closest to the original editions but I think it's missing WCD. :/

    In 1994 there was no need to remaster an album which was released in 1991. At that time the original version of WCD was available everywhere. Plus the main reason for digital remasters was to get albums from the vinyl era out on CD. All albums up to 3SL were originally only released on vinyl so a digital remaster was needed to serve the market for CDs. Everything post 3SL had original releases on vinyl and CD.

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    My "perfect" assortment uses the 1994 DER's of A Trick of the Tail, Wind and Wuthering, Duke, and Abacab, with the 2007 remixes of Three Sides Live up through Calling All Stations and And Then There Were Three.


    I really like the 2007 remixes of Trespass through Selling England by the Pound, and though there are a few errors on Foxtrot that bug me, it's not enough to kick it out of the club. The Foxtrot DER is really good too, in case those problems are too much. Likewise, if the extra drums on Trespass bother you the DER is miles ahead of the original CD version but the same original mix.


    I'm currently re-discovering the original CD mix of The Lamb Lies Down on Broadway, so it is my current go-to version. Once again the DER is really good too, and the 2007 remix is nice, but some the changes bug me and this is the one album in the entire catalog I think I prefer the grittier sound of the original mix or the DER more than the pristine sound on the remix.


    I've posted this elsewhere, but I'm currently in the process of obtaining the original vinyl releases of the Genesis albums. So far I have ATOTT, W&W, ATTWT, Abacab and IT. And IMO for these that I have so far, ATOTT, W&W and IT sound much better than the remixes, but for ATTWT and Abacab it's a trade-off: In the remixes, the sound is definitely brighter and clearer, with a great balance - especially in the half speed versions. BUT, IMO the remixes in many cases lose the 'magic' that the band achieved in the original mix, with certain sounds being different, effects different or even certain sounds straight up missing! The originals are richer and warmer-and have more of what I call an 'analogue presence'- especially the drums are much more powerful, whereas in the remixes they are sadly quite buried and in some cases, almost inaudible beneath the loudness of the other instruments. Another difference between the 2007 remixes compared to the originals-at least on vinyl is that they are cut not from tape, but from the digital file for these songs-and it's generally understood that you don't get that sense of 'analogue richness' from an album cut from a digital file, as compared to an original-cut directly from the analogue master tapes. Basically if one wants to get the most out of vinyl, it won't do much good to listen to something digitally sourced in that format. So I guess that's a more technical reason for why I've found I'm preferring the originals.


    Although I acknowledge all of that is mostly just if one is listening on vinyl - as opposed to CD. But what I'm really saying is I understand the whole "re-discovery" idea!


    At the end of the day, I suppose it really comes down to the preference of the listener:


    Would you like to hear ATTWT with the drums being more punchy and powerful? Or would you like a brighter and more balanced sound (even though the drums are much weaker in most songs)?


    Would you like to hear the original mix and effects in each of the songs on Invisible Touch? Or are you ok with trading a brighter, more expanded sound with several effects/instruments being changed or even missing (like certain synthesizer sounds in The Brazilian)?


    I am of the same mindset as others on here; I very much enjoy the half speed vinyl releases of the PG era albums, so I will probably stick with those. IMO those are where the remix process really did some good. What I would REALLY have liked is if they released the '94 DERs on vinyl, cos I really enjoyed those - or perhaps even if they did a remaster of the originals now on vinyl. If they did that using the original mixes, I would be first in line to buy them all!

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    I've never really gotten too far into vinyl, though ironically the one album I used to own was And Then There Were Three and I thought it sounded terrible on both vinyl and the original CD for being inexplicably thin-sounding yet cluttered at the same time. The 2007 remix was the first time that particular album was anywhere near the same sonic quality as the rest of the catalog in my opinion...


    I'll also add that I'm glad that there are so many options for people to collect and versions to prefer. Every format and every version brings something different to the table and offers some subtle and not so subtle variations on every album.