[SPOILERS] GENESIS 2021 setlist discussion

  • getting in the mood by listening to the Frankfurt 1981 show...a great recording. Currently the full abacab version playing...hopefully be hearing it next week! 🤞

  • getting in the mood by listening to the Frankfurt 1981 show...a great recording. Currently the full abacab version playing...hopefully be hearing it next week! 🤞

    That's a good show. Somebody needs to matrix the soundboard and audience recordings, Hmm....

  • OK, in an ideal world (which of course it's not, but we can dream):


    Behind The Lines/Duchess

    Mama

    Broadway Melody of '74 / Carpet Crawlers

    Land of Confusion (new arrangement sounds good)

    Entangled

    Dancing With The Moonlit Knight / Musical Box (a la Chicago 78)

    Abacab

    Firth of Fifth / Apocalypse in 9/8 / Sure As Eggs

    Throwing It All Away (I have to give in to inevitability somewhere)

    Domino (ditto)

    Blood On The Rooftops

    Fading Lights /Cinema Show / Afterglow

    Turn It On Again

    Los Endos


    I Know What I Like

    The Knife



    [and I just can't bring myself to give in to inevitability when it comes to IT, TTT (unless instrumental like Monkey/Zulu), Jesus He Knows Me etc. That said, I Can't Dance would be ironically funny!]

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  • What we have for now thanks to the documentary :


    Selling England :

    • Dancing With Moonlit Knight (the beginning, Duke Tour version, in A minor, instead of D minor, or C# if you take the album version)
    • Cinema Show solo (but without Slippermen or Duke's Travels) , with the lead line of "Eleventh Earl of Mar" and "In that Quiet Earth" as a transition (like in 1978)

    The Lamb

    • Carpet Crawlers (in C major)

    Wind and Wuthering

    • Afterglow (in E Major)

    Duke

    • Behind The Lines intro (with a Turn It On Again live ending in B ???)
    • Duchess (C Major)
    • Turn It On Again (A Major/Minor)

    Genesis

    • Mama (C minor)
    • That's All (D minor)
    • Home by the Sea (C minor)
    • Second Home by the Sea (in E minor as the original, so I wonder if Phil will sing the last verse in that key... "As we relive our lives in what we TELLL you..", given the fact that his limit seems to be F#, and the "TELLL" is an A, a minor third higher)

    Invisible Touch

    • Land of Confusion (B Minor)
    • Tonight, Tonight, Tonight (at least, the first part, in B minor...)
    • Domino (Bb Major)
    • Throwing It All Away (A Major)

    We Can't Dance

    • Jesus He Knows Me (in B minor)


    So, with all these clues, a potential beginning :


    - Behind the Lines opening (great opener, it's true, but it's the same as 2007...), with the TIOA ending in B into...

    - Land of Confusion in B minor (dear audience, this is why the show has been delayed, the world is in a complete mess, but finally, here we are...)

    - Duchess in C (I find this song to be a good summary of what Genesis is, musically speaking...)


    I have the weird impression that Turn It On Again is in the middle or at the end of a medley, if you listen to the very beginning of the documentary...

  • I now have some hope we will hear Watcher “In” the Skies (lol) since it was the subject of the “gear used” email sent out by the band’s website today.

  • I'd love to hear Watcher in any way/shape/form on this tour, and I also thought the new Gear Used email might be a hint, but they also showed Phil's rehearsal drumset in the previous email, and that seems unlikely to happen now, so I'm really not sure what to think anymore...

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    Phil's rehearsal drumset

    Well, it's strange because he said he couldn't play in the documentary...

    Was the kit left-handed ?

    Because if not, I think it's "only" Nic's second drumset, a smaller one, for the acoustic medley (if this happens...).

  • I'm glad you said it AB, as I was thinking the exact same thing. Rutherford is the one who seems to have a pretty strong disdain of earlier material (ok, that might be strong wording) whereas Banks would play way more of it if he had the final say. I think Phil, as evidenced by his attendance of a Musical Box show (and playing one one song) several years ago has also come around to the earlier stuff. In fact (flame throwers coming my way), reading their body language in the BBC morning show interview, I got the distinct impression that Mike was the most gung-ho (by far) in doing this tour whereas Phil was not super enthused (understandably) and Tony was somewhere in the middle. Yes, this may be reading tea leaves but that's the impression I got.

    Phil initially wasn't too keen on the 07 tour either....He'd been told it was a few concerts in major cities rather than a full on tour. You can see the moment he realises it's more than he thought in the documentary on the Rome DVD set. If I remember correctly, there was the stillborn project circa 2003 to remount The Lamb with Peter and Steve. That would also not have been a full on tour but perhaps a dozen or two concerts in major cities around the world. When Pete wouldn't/couldn't commit they decided Steve's involvement was moot and started planning concerts with the 80s/early 90s version of Genesis. Phil was still under the impression this would be 20 concerts...not the 50 or so they ended up doing.


    However it is also Phil who has shown the way for this upcoming tour....his "Not dead yet" tour was on and off for two and a half years. Taking time to rest between relatively short tour legs, it's pretty much a new concept and one that works really well for older artists or anyone who might want to see their family, for example.


    As for Mike, I do not want to trash him. He's been in integral part of Genesis from the start and of The Mechanics for nearly 40 years. He helped write some of my favourite Genesis songs, and The Mechanics have a few really good ones that I like too....he was a phenomenal bass player in the 70s and I don't want to take anything away from that. But it does seem that Mike is the one who doesn't want to play the old material. Tony would probably happily do One For The Vine and even Hogweed if given the chance. I am beginning to think that after this is all put to bed, Tony could consider touring a show featuring his favourite music - Genesis and otherwise....assuming he doesn't feel like guesting with Steve. But then Tony isn't much of a performer. He'd probably be just as happy listening at home in his slippers. He's the one Genesis member who does talk about listening to the old Genesis albums.


    Mike is probably more enthusiastic about the road, he's been touring with The Mechanics during the Genesis hiatus. He's never stopped making new music or touring. Tony has made his orchestral music and gained a lot of satisfaction from finding acceptance by many classical enthusiasts but hasn't toured. Phil took a long time out. Mike is the most "road ready". So it is not so surprising that he's encouraging the others. he's also specifically encouraging Phil, hopefully of the belief that touring is good for his old friend. Phil seems to come alive when he takes the stage. A little like Brian Wilson, perhaps being involved in making music is therapeutic for him.


    Me, I'm just a lawn mower....I find mowing my grass is therapeutic!

  • Thanks AB. I hope my point didn't come across as trashing MR, as that was absolutely not my point. Quite the contrary, having learned so many of his bass and 12-string parts, I have the utmost respect for his playing ability and he is, in fact, vastly underrated on both instruments. It was simply a series of observations from the interview. As you said, there are probably logical answers for their various levels of "excitement" about the tour at the moment.


    As far as coming alive on stage, I've seen it many times... Many years ago, I participated in a Sirius XM Townhall interview of Roger Waters in NYC. On mic, his age definitely showed. He was severely myopic and obviously had pretty intense hearing loss, among other things. However, the next evening, on stage, it's as if someone had injected him with "super juice" lol. It's interesting but I guess 50 years on the road will do that to you. Take care, Andre.

    • Second Home by the Sea (in E minor as the original, so I wonder if Phil will sing the last verse in that key... "As we relive our lives in what we TELLL you..", given the fact that his limit seems to be F#, and the "TELLL" is an A, a minor third higher)

    If they don't change keys at the end, Phil could sing the highest notes falsetto, although that might sound a bit weak. Alternatively, Tony is a master at key changes and transitions between one section and another. I'm sure he could come up with a segue from Em to Cm so Phil can sing the last lines more easily.

  • Does anybody know if this was really legit? This appeared in April 2020 after the tour was first announced and was apparently songs that the band rehearsed or considered rehearsing during there initial three week period in New York in January 2020. There was rumor that it was legit but then rumor that it was debunked. I imagine no one knows for certain but it does seem very close to the songs that we have been hearing them rehearse as well as the fact that there was an acoustic set planned. If it was a fake, someone did a really good job in guessing what they were going to rehearse and eventually play. I've seen discussion on Facebook and Forums that it came from someone "in the know". Does anyone have any other information?


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  • hi everyone, long time reader of this forum and now new member. Thanks to all for keeping the spirt of Genesis alive!


    I live in a city where unfortunately Genesis will not be performing so the setlist is of great interest to me.


    Some setlist updates I came across today;


    -the Phil Collins and Genesis Facebook page posted a picture of rehearsals from Birmingham. You can see what looks like the setlist but it is hard to read the detail. Looks like the encore though will be 2 songs.


    -From the website, Loudersound.com there is an article about Genesis not extending the current tour, however it also says that "The Last Domino? tour will feature "a majority" of material from the Peter Gabriel era, stretching as far back as 1973's Selling England By The Pound, as well as material from 1974's The Lamb Lies Down On Broadway and 1976's Wind & Wuthering. "


    I have a hard time believing it will contain 'a majority' of of material from the PG era, however hopefully it means that there might be a really good balance between the older stuff and the more modern songs in the setlist.

  • Well, it's strange because he said he couldn't play in the documentary...

    Was the kit left-handed ?

    Because if not, I think it's "only" Nic's second drumset, a smaller one, for the acoustic medley (if this happens...).

    Here's the pic from the last email... It seems to be Phil's Duke Tour set. And it's clearly set up for Phil.


  • Thanks AB. I hope my point didn't come across as trashing MR, as that was absolutely not my point. Quite the contrary, having learned so many of his bass and 12-string parts, I have the utmost respect for his playing ability and he is, in fact, vastly underrated on both instruments. It was simply a series of observations from the interview. As you said, there are probably logical answers for their various levels of "excitement" about the tour at the moment.


    As far as coming alive on stage, I've seen it many times... Many years ago, I participated in a Sirius XM Townhall interview of Roger Waters in NYC. On mic, his age definitely showed. He was severely myopic and obviously had pretty intense hearing loss, among other things. However, the next evening, on stage, it's as if someone had injected him with "super juice" lol. It's interesting but I guess 50 years on the road will do that to you. Take care, Andre.


    Oh you did not come across as trashing Mike. I was worried that I might be seen as trashing Mike because I have posted some criticism of him - notably him being the one who doesn't want to play older material...making excuses about not remembering tunings and so on. So I wanted to make it clear that I don't wish to trash Mike, who is a hugely important and integral part of every incarnation of Genesis and who wrote or co-wrote some fantastic songs.


    Interesting memory of Roger Waters there. He's started to look old in recent times too. With Phil, I think a little of Brian Wilson...who we all know is somewhat mentally frazzled and has back problems. I've witnessed him shuffle on stage like a 90 year old man, tentatively begin a gig and by 20 minutes in he's got the attention of every single person in the theatre. By the end he picks up his bass and dances around. Even more interesting, knowing he can be a bit nervous on stage I checked with his "people" before I saw him in 2004 (4th row, SMiLE tour) that it would be OK to take photos with a long lens. I was advised "Brian will turn away from you if he's not comfortable"....well he smiled and mugged for my camera and put on a great show. When I saw him 6 years later, similarly equipped with a SLR camera word got back to me later that he'd recognised me! Not 100% relevant to Genesis but it does all show that aging performers who might seem reluctant and frail when they are interviewed can be 100% with it and capable on stage. Phil seems to come alive when he sings. Hopefully that will be the case for this tour and everyone will have a great time.

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    Phil's Duke Tour set

    Very interesting picture... I think it's rather his 1976-1978 drumkit since it is a Premier, not a Gretsch or a Pearl (he had those later I believe, but I'm not a drummer, so I'm not a specialist).

  • Does anybody know if this was really legit? This appeared in April 2020 after the tour was first announced and was apparently songs that the band rehearsed or considered rehearsing during there initial three week period in New York in January 2020. There was rumor that it was legit but then rumor that it was debunked. I imagine no one knows for certain but it does seem very close to the songs that we have been hearing them rehearse as well as the fact that there was an acoustic set planned. If it was a fake, someone did a really good job in guessing what they were going to rehearse and eventually play. I've seen discussion on Facebook and Forums that it came from someone "in the know". Does anyone have any other information?


    man I'm giddy after seeing that rehearsal setlist

  • man I'm giddy after seeing that rehearsal setlist

    I am very sorry, but I don't think it is legit (unfortunately, because it does look great)... It is printed "Medley : Lamb > Cinema Show > I Know What I like > Firth of Fifth", but they played Afterglow just after the Cinema Show solo in the documentary.


    Maybe just a part of it is true...