[SPOILERS] GENESIS 2021 setlist discussion

  • Surely one of the points of joining a forum is to chew the fat over Genesis nonsense that others would be baffled by. Like when football fans sit in the pub and pontificate for hours about things they have no control over. The bizarre views and controversial arguments are what it’s all about, or am I missing something?

  • Surely one of the points of joining a forum is to chew the fat over Genesis nonsense that others would be baffled by. Like when football fans sit in the pub and pontificate for hours about things they have no control over. The bizarre views and controversial arguments are what it’s all about, or am I missing something?

    Spot on. It’s also satisfies the craving of having someone to talk with about Genesis or Genesis related music. None of my friends or family love the band as much as I, so without this forum, all my Genesis related thoughts would just be bouncing around in my head!

  • I'm kind of addicted to fantasy set lists, so here's my go at it:


    23 songs is a bit unrealistic, but given what I've read has been rehearsed and what has supposedly been pushed, I think some of these have a shot. I do realize stuff like "Counting Out Time" and perhaps even "Squonk" are absolute long shots, but hey, a man can dream.


    My main concern, as it was with everyone, is Phil. His mobility issues aside, his voice is my main point of worry. He sings these days like he has a kazoo in his throat if he ventures even slightly out of his mid-range, and I don't see him having the breath support or stamina to sing the more fast paced portions of "Home by the Sea" and "In The Cage" - especially if he's seated for them - even though I think those and other demanding songs will ultimately be there just because they're so part of their live show DNA. Phil can get away with his limited abilities in his solo shows but Genesis have always been about their intensity and musical showmanship for me, and something's going to be missing with Phil not being able to partake in at least one aspect of that.


    Much as I love it, I don't see how "Mama" is going to be pulled off without lowering it to the point where it loses all its intensity and drive. It was good in 2007 when Phil could still move around and project properly as his voice was still rich enough to use his lower register to his advantage, but now I don't see him having those capabilities.

  • Ok, maybe with Behind The Lines in between...e.g. a bit like 1982 shows...but instead of segueing into Follow You Follow Me, go into Abacab.

    That would be quite cool. It actually might work better than the transition from BTL into FYFM back in 1982. That one just kinda comes to a dead stop for a couple of moments at the end of BTL until Phil starts a tambourine intro to FYFM.

  • Well I think that an instrumental Behind The Lines would be performed, and then into Abacab. I doubt the former is gonna have vocals since the song is demanding of Phil. I’d be fine with whatever we got for that track. I think they might do the Behind The Lines / Duke’s End thing again tho.

  • Cinema Show starting at the second half will be the opening song. Prove me wrong Genesis, I dare you.


    I doubt there will be halves. Two hours straight, possibly with the band leaving the stage and returning for an encore.


    And they won't ever play the entire Cinema Show again. Mike has "forgotten" the unusual guitar tuning of the opening lines and has declined to re-learn them since 1983.

  • I doubt there will be halves. Two hours straight, possibly with the band leaving the stage and returning for an encore.


    And they won't ever play the entire Cinema Show again. Mike has "forgotten" the unusual guitar tuning of the opening lines and has declined to re-learn them since 1983.

    The documentary that chronicled the prep for the 2007 tour shows the band at least considering Cinema Show in its entirety. Tony in particular seemed excited by the prospect. Problem was (or at least what was captured in the documentary) that Phil couldn’t hit the high notes (e.g. “Can she be late for her Cinema Show . . . Cinema Show”).

  • I too am holding out hope for hearing the first half of Cinema Show. With a key change and/or the backing vocalists handling those high harmonies I think it's a great new old song to bring back.

    I know Mike forgot/hasn't been motivated to figure out the 12-string tunings but I can't believe Daryl couldn't do it if asked. It isn't the formula for Coca Cola we're talking about, and quite a few tribute bands have seemed to figure it out just fine...

  • I doubt there will be halves. Two hours straight, possibly with the band leaving the stage and returning for an encore.


    And they won't ever play the entire Cinema Show again. Mike has "forgotten" the unusual guitar tuning of the opening lines and has declined to re-learn them since 1983.


    I meant the second half of Cinema Show (musical section) not the actual show... My wording was a bit strange.

  • Ah, they'll play The Lamb in its entirety and include bits of stuff like Illegal Alien and Who Dunnit in the middle of it as they see fit!

    :D

    Halfway through the majestic chords of Hairless Heart - "WE KNOW, WE KNOW, WE KNOW, WE KNOW, WE ALL KNOW YEAH, YEAH WE KNOW..."

  • This question may have been raised before (if so I apologize), but I’m curious where others stand on learning about the setlist prior to seeing a concert. I actively searched out articles on the 2007 setlist prior to seeing Genesis that fall in Washington, DC. It didn’t ruin the show for me but obviously did remove the element of surprise. This time around I think I’m gonna try to “keep it dark” (or more correctly I suppose keep myself in the dark) as to the setlist. Just curious how others plan to approach it.

  • This question may have been raised before (if so I apologize), but I’m curious where others stand on learning about the setlist prior to seeing a concert. I actively searched out articles on the 2007 setlist prior to seeing Genesis that fall in Washington, DC. It didn’t ruin the show for me but obviously did remove the element of surprise. This time around I think I’m gonna try to “keep it dark” (or more correctly I suppose keep myself in the dark) as to the setlist. Just curious how others plan to approach it.

    I think this has come up a few times here - I'm in line with a few others who've said they're avoiding setlist spoilers. In the immediate run-up to the tour I'm treating the board as a biohazard zone. My first of 3 shows is Glasgow 1. It's a special one - first time seeing one of my absolute favourite bands in over 14 years, top VIP package with front seat, gourmet meal, goodies bag etc and I want to properly 'discover' it. So I'll be throwing a cloak of invisibility over the entire forum. I know there'll likely be specific setlist spoilers threads - well, there bloody better be - but I don't trust myself to not somehow blunder into one. Or for one to spring a leak into other threads. And I'm assuming some loudmouth or other will somehow get hold of the setlist ahead of the tour starting and shout about it here. Therefore the whole board will be blocked by a dimensional shift barrier.

    Abandon all reason

  • I'm less concerned about setlist spoilers. I am more interested in how the songs will be performed this time around, anticipating some modifications and changes.


    While there is definitely an adrenaline rush with being surprised as I recognize a song I was not expecting, there are also pleasures from anticipating a song I know will be performed and being able to fully pay attention to how they bring it across this time.

  • I didn't mind knowing the setlist prior to going to my first show in 2007. I bought one of the Encore discs from the European leg so I could hear the show in the lead up to seeing them for myself.


    I understand the reasoning behind wanting the concert to have some surprises, but where Genesis is concerned I'm way too much of a newshound to even try to avoid spoilers.

  • I kinda don’t want to know if the setlist is full of the shorter, poppier stuff with less of a nod to older material than in 2007, when at least they padded the usual In the Cage medley with Duke’s Travels, plus we got Ripples, FOF/IKWIL, Carpet Crawlers, and Mama (I know Mama isn’t “old” by Genesis standards but it was still great that they played it).. I’m assuming Behind the Lines will be played this time around since it’s the song used in the tour promo, and my brother and I (who rarely agree on anything) both thought that one of the images in an early tour promo reminded us of Squonk. But all of that is guessing. I’m hoping to be surprised by the inclusion of some older stuff that hasn’t been played for a while. If it leans more heavily than I’d like toward the pop stuff I’ll still enjoy the show but my not knowing in advance at least I won’t show up for the show feeling a bit bummed out before the first note is played.

  • On the one hand, I want to be surprised should I get tickets.


    On the other hand, I'll probably download a boot beforehand to hear if the show is good enough to justify paying the insanely high prices. Thank God I worked towards a bonus to see them and Dead & Company this year.