It's a Tony's song and I'm supposed to like it
That made me chuckle. I absolutely get what you mean though.
I love that the same writer could produce something as ponderous as Rope, oddly unsatisfying as Lady, musically luscious yet lyrically stuffy as Undertow, and beautifully rendered in every sense and concise as Many, all on the same generally frustrating album.
The part the really grates on me is the instrumental section at the end. The musicianship might be great but the sound they produce is not, and that steadily climbing piano scale amongst the melee makes me wince.
Funny enough, it's my favourite part of the song (that bass !), which I've always liked anyway. 12 points.
Oddly enough, I would say that I understand the critics on it (the sound, the theme, etc...), because that's also true.
Same thing regarding the overall sound they had at the time (let's say, From Trick to Duke, that "polished", "evened" sound). Almost 25 years after I discovered them, it's still the sound I have in mind when I think about the band, yet I understand why a lot of fans don't like it.
Same thing regarding the overall sound they had at the time (let's say, From Trick to Duke, that "polished", "evened" sound). Almost 25 years after I discovered them, it's still the sound I have in mind when I think about the band, yet I understand why a lot of fans don't like it.
It's not really a metter of not liking it, at least not for me, ir's rather a case of too much of the good thing, by ATTW3 the formula was getting old and bland for me and this song sort of epitomizes that.
11 for this one
There are songs on this album I like more (Burning Rope, Motherlode) and other I don't (Ballad of Big)
I think it's rather weak. Slight, insubstantial... twee. 10.
10 are quite a lot points for a "rather weak" track.
I think it's quite good and I'd say 11 ...
10 are quite a lot points for a "rather weak" track.
I think it's quite good and I'd say 11 ...
Ok. I don't hate it I just don't find it very good. I strongly dislike Battle of Epping Forest and gave it 2. I love Feeding the Fire and gave it 15 🤷♂️
8 from me. An average track on an average album, I think ...
It's an excellent track, especially the live version with the complex bass line by Mike and a very inspired Tony on keybords (14).
I like this one, it has that special Genesis feeling. And a nice melody. 13 from me.
Something I mentioned in another thread a couple of years back: in the instrumental run-out, about 05.25-05.30, there sounds like an 'aaaaaaaaaah' vocalisation ending with what sounds like 'eyes' or 'lies', it's quite mixed back. Other members bafflingly heard this as "you can't resist me". I wondered if it was a muffled "Aaaaaaaah, the lady lies". It's definitely not "you can't resist me" though. I think it was MoonlitKnight who said that whatever it is it's swamped by David Hentschel's "syrupy pudding production".
Other members bafflingly heard this as "you can't resist me"... It's definitely not "you can't resist me" though.
I never heard it this way until someone pointed it out to me, and it's clear enough to me now that I really don't have any doubt about it. I can understand why someone couldn't hear it even after having it pointed out, though. The voice is echoey and mixed low, and the syllables are drawn out and don't necessarily fall where you'd expect them to.
Listening to the "official audio" of the song on YouTube, I hear a long "Yooooooooouuu" starting at about 5:21, then "can't resist" at 5:26-5:27 and "me" at 5:28. I don't know what the notes are but it's basically "You" (high) "can't" (middle) "re" (high) "sist me" (low).
I can now hear it. For decades I heard it as an "aaaaahhhhh - something (lies?)" I'm wondering if it's one of those post-07 changes such as moving "Isn't it" in Lovers Leap, deadening the flute in IKWIL and the petulant 'hmmmph' thing at the end of Trick, etc.
On another tangent on this one: I recently came across reference to a 1982 green flexidisc of this track live, given away with Flexipop magazine. The label has "Genesis Live" in the 3SL 'scribbled' style.
one of those post-07 changes such as moving "Isn't it" in Lovers Leap, deadening the flute in IKWIL and the petulant 'hmmmph' thing at the end of Trick, etc.
Wow, all of those things have gotten lost? This is why I'm not interested in the later mixes.
See my comments about another "lost in the mix" thing here and in the posts that follow.
Anyway, I'm glad you can hear it now!
Wow, all of those things have gotten lost? This is why I'm not interested in the later mixes.
The IKWIL flute bit seems almost inaudible to me, ditto the ATOTT thing. I'll never understand the relocated 'isn't it'.
I'll never understand the relocated 'isn't it'.
I've never heard what you're talking about. Can you explain?
Maybe he means the "hasn't it"?
Maybe he means the "hasn't it"?
That would be it. Anyway, what does it mean that it was "relocated"?
14!!!!
This is my favorite track on the album and one of my all time favs by the band in general!
