GENESIS - UK/Ireland Tour 2020 rescheduled for FALL 2021

  • Absolutely zero chance of these shows in April. I think we all know that.

    As for when, it's anyone's guess. My fear is that they may just opt to cancel the whole thing but this really depends purely on Phil surely. He's the one with the health issues.


    The future looks so uncertain on all levels and what tomorrow may bring, who knows!

    Quite a striking post.

  • Not disimilar to my thoughts... may be pushed back to 2021 or not at all. May depend on how band feel about the whole effort involved. Keeping safe and healthy is more of a reality...time will tell, but expect an announcement within next few weeks

  • As announced this morning it will take until autumn to offer vaccines to all over 18s so I think late autumn is the earliest viable date for large venue gigs. Smaller theatres etc might be able to open sooner with various measures in place. So I think Genesis have choice of going for spring 2022, or deciding that it’s too far away and cancel and maybe do a streamed gig now that they have rehearsed. Personally, although nothing beats a live gig, I’d be happy to get my money back and have a streamed gig or DVD of new live stuff. Then, if they are fit and willing, they can always announce a new tour later on. It’s a great shame but obviously there are much bigger issues to worry about and I think they would be better trying something online now to make the most of the rehearsals and cheer us up. It also makes guest appearances much more viable for whoever is up for it. It also means they can reach the whole planet in the same way and not just the UK.

  • yes good points made. Lots of other bands putting out virtual/streamed performance. Would be nice to maybe see a couple of tracks from rehearsals stuck on YT...Just to keep us all going in these tough times

  • The main problem I think which hasn’t been mentioned is Money!, that’s why it hasn’t been cancelled for sure. How much money has been invested in these concerts probably a few million on stage sets and everything else such as hiring of concert halls. So I doubt we will be offered a refund which I would take now. To be honest if they cancel again I think it’s really taking the fans for idiots. Wasn’t it Jon Bon Jovi who cancelled a tour to enable the fans to have their money back rather than it be held by the promoter ?. I do think the streaming show is a good idea and I would pay part of my refund to view it.

  • How are they taking you for an idiot? You bought a ticket, knowing full well that it wasn't likely to go ahead on the original date due to the pandemic. If you bought a ticket through official channels (ie ticketmaster), and want a refund now, next week, or next month, all you have to do is ask for one. If a promoter goes belly up, you'd be covered by the credit card provider.


    They are doing their best to plan ahead and hold the system together, without any income, or any immediate prospect of any income.


    Summer 2022 is a realistic possibility if the vaccine works on the new variants. Planning for autumn 2021 is just asking for another postponement. The most you are losing is a tiny tiny bit of interest - given that they have rehearsed, including production rehearsals, I won't be losing any sleep on the promoter getting 0.1% in a bank somewhere, that's about 20p/ticket pa.


    These speculations on special guests are a little pie in the sky, how many times has that happened since 1982..


    The Phil's health stuff is similarly nonsensical, he's just spent a few years on tour with his own band, and weeks rehearsing with Genesis, why would you think he's going to be incapable of singing in a years time. They've rehearsed, they aren't going to throw the towel in now

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  • I’m not speaking specifically with regard to the group, I’m speaking about the inability to get a refund. With respect as far as I’m aware you can’t get a refund unless they cancel the whole thing. I have 20 concerts all which have been moved back once at least, various artists of course and it is the same with all of those concerts. Ticketmaster don’t offer refunds unless the event is cancelled completely here in the UK. Most of the concerts I have booked were initially booked before there was any sign of the virus anywhere. The genesis one was booked the day of them going on sale As far as I was aware Coronavirus wasn’t an issue here in the Uk at that time I think there may have been one or two cases in the UK, it certainly wasn’t the terrible problem it is now.

    The only issue with it is eventually some of these shows are bound to clash it’s inevitable. But I personally would gladly take a refund. I think this could be offered to all those who would rather not go and I bet there are a lot who have had second thoughts.

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  • That's incorrect, they (ticketmaster) do offer a refund if the concert has been rescheduled.


    "We're more than happy to issue refunds for cancelled, rescheduled or postponed events"


    https://www.ticketmaster.co.uk/legal/cancelled-altered.html


    and as I have been through the process many times recently with many different venues (non Genesis related), so does everyone else, all it took was an email.


    The only thing to be aware of, is if you leave it too late for them to resell (ie 30 days before the rescheduled event), then some venues will assume you've accepted the new date. Given that socially distanced/reduced capacity is going to be the norm for the foreseeable, most venues will be quite happy that people are getting refunds.


    The moment the date changes, the agreement has materially changed, so you can have a refund if you want one.


    As an aside, only one venue didn't refund the booking fees, as it was only £1, and an ancient theatre that could go belly up, I didn't argue.

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  • I didn’t know that when did this become available , I’ll look into that thanks . Apologies I wasn’t aware of that at all. When was there this change of policy?, as I’ve got a few lined up which I wasn’t aware of been able to claim a refund ?. Must be a new thing.

  • Sometimes companies make you hunt to find your legal rights in the terms and conditions. They don't all make it explicitly clear even now, but it's often found somewhere in an faq or a tweet. That particular faq has been worded like that for at least 6mths I think -- the gigs listed in the faq go back to 2015, so it's probably much older..


    It wouldn't stand up in court if any company refused a refund after a date change.


    As I said, I've had no problems getting a refund with any venue, but as they are all working from home now, it can take a few days for them to respond to email. I haven't had to return any physical tickets either.


    In March, when they went on sale a couple of weeks before lockdown, I think it was fairly obvious the rona was going to be a problem. I was surprised no-one dare ask them about the elephant in the room when they did their ITV promo about the tour

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  • I for one would get literally nothing out of a streamed gig. I cannot see them doing this without an audience in any case. Might as well sit at home with a copy of 'When In Rome'!



  • How can nothing be better than something. Nic on drums is a new spin on the past.


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    Be interested to know how you get on with the refunds Wayne, it may be useful for others in the same situation. If they do cancel, you've only got a couple of months to find out and have it done automatically.

  • I for one would get literally nothing out of a streamed gig. I cannot see them doing this without an audience in any case. Might as well sit at home with a copy of 'When In Rome'!



    The audience would be at home? I see your point but we have to adapt to circumstances. I'd love to see them playing together again.

  • The audience would be at home? I see your point but we have to adapt to circumstances. I'd love to see them playing together again.

    We don't "have to" adapt to streamed gigs if we don't want to. There have been some already, and probably some, but not all, are charging too much.

  • I guess it's only matter of time until we see another announcement and dates will be postponed until the end of this year (at least).


    Also, I wonder how many non-UK fans will attend the shows in the UK (and non-Irish in Ireland).